Just Got Back From Commerce

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Was in LA this last week for meetings.Played Friday night at Commerce from about 9pm to 7:20am and then went straight to airport to fly home (36 years old with kids...not real close to casinos...had to get a live fix).I did watch Cindy Violette and Freddy Deeb play for just a little bit (floorman wouldn't let me watch Freddy play without sitting, so I left).OK...question.I'm playing $4/8 Limit.I'm under the gun with KK (3rd hand I've played at this table).I limp in (waiting for a raise).Next guys raises. Around to me. I 3-bet.He just calls and a guy other side caps it.Flop comes J-4-6 osThat cap guy bets out. I re-raise. He re-raises me there. Feels weird to me, I call not cap.He tells me he has 2 pair (trying to understand that)I check-call turn and river.He flips over 4/6 os2 other guys at the table seemed to play the same way.After that entire night, I end up down 130 bucks.Is this standard play for Limit where you're calling with small gappers (unsuited even) to try and crack any raiser?I used to assume that calling so many flops with so much junk, it would be hard to offset the missed hands to the pots you win.I certainly understand Daniel (and that post-flop great reading skills crew) that play No-Limit that way, but is this standard profitable play in limit?I'm really looking for answers here. I think it was just a tough night of cards for me as well. Saw maybe 10 AA, KK, AK hands from 9-7, and not much more. The hands I would have won with were 1 off button with 2/5os (80 buck pot) and such like that. Total junk but near the button.Did I hit the bad card night with the crazy players or am I just missing the 'profitable' way to play 4/8?Thoughts would be great.Think we're going back end of Feb. and I'd love to be better prepared.Thanks.Think I had the J/10 or 10/9 suited hand about 20-30 times and it was 2/7/4 or something on the flop 90percent. Flopped 1 open ended (that missed) with the 'fun' hands.

[TheCinciKid 0]

The guy who cracked your Kings is an idiot. His type is often found at low stakes limit games. His play was no where near correct, but that's life. In limit, all you can do is pound bets in there when you're ahead and hope you don't get drawn out on. Sometimes you will, but over the long term you make money by playing good cards and strong draws and playing them well. Incidentally, you should just go ahead and raise UTG with your KK. You're probably going to get some callers anyway. The limp/re-raise is a pretty bad play in low stakes limit b/c most of the time the game is passive and you'll just end up playing a multi-way pot with it, which you really don't want with a hand like two Kings. For the future, play strong starting hands for raises. Limp with things like suited connectors or suited Aces and pairs, try to make big hands or get out cheaply if you don't hit. If you hit a few hands you can make big money off these small stakes games. In fact, if you're planning to go out there again in Feb, I'd suggest you pick up a copy of Small Stakes Hold'em and read it before you go. If you pay attention and make use of the concepts, that book should pay for itself and a lot more in as little as one session.Good Luck.

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

Was in LA this last week for meetings.Played Friday night at Commerce from about 9pm to 7:20am and then went straight to airport to fly home (36 years old with kids...not real close to casinos...had to get a live fix).I did watch Cindy Violette and Freddy Deeb play for just a little bit (floorman wouldn't let me watch Freddy play without sitting, so I left).OK...question.I'm playing $4/8 Limit.I'm under the gun with KK (3rd hand I've played at this table).I limp in (waiting for a raise).Next guys raises. Around to me. I 3-bet.He just calls and a guy other side caps it.Flop comes J-4-6 osThat cap guy bets out. I re-raise. He re-raises me there. Feels weird to me, I call not cap.He tells me he has 2 pair (trying to understand that)I check-call turn and river.He flips over 4/6 os2 other guys at the table seemed to play the same way.After that entire night, I end up down 130 bucks.Is this standard play for Limit where you're calling with small gappers (unsuited even) to try and crack any raiser?I used to assume that calling so many flops with so much junk, it would be hard to offset the missed hands to the pots you win.I certainly understand Daniel (and that post-flop great reading skills crew) that play No-Limit that way, but is this standard profitable play in limit?I'm really looking for answers here. I think it was just a tough night of cards for me as well. Saw maybe 10 AA, KK, AK hands from 9-7, and not much more. The hands I would have won with were 1 off button with 2/5os (80 buck pot) and such like that. Total junk but near the button.Did I hit the bad card night with the crazy players or am I just missing the 'profitable' way to play 4/8?Thoughts would be great.Think we're going back end of Feb. and I'd love to be better prepared.Thanks.Think I had the J/10 or 10/9 suited hand about 20-30 times and it was 2/7/4 or something on the flop 90percent. Flopped 1 open ended (that missed) with the 'fun' hands.

I make 1.5 bb/hr @ 15/30 live and last night I dropped 12hundie, so it happens. No need to analyze the results of 1 session. Look back at specific plays that seemed questionable to you. Dont worry about whether you got "sucked out on," just whether you played the hand in the most profitable way. Also, psychologically I look back at crucial hands (both that I won and lost) to see whether I played the hand technically sound or whether certain actions were "tilt-induced," or made because I was stuck or just lost a huge pot.

[Zach6668 513]

On how to play 4/8 live:Small Stakes Hold'Em.(However, I vary it a bit to incorporate the moronic maniacal plays you see a lot more these days than when the book was written.)

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Thanks guys I appreciate it.It's hard when you don't get to play a ton, but you feel like you're a pretty good player, and have a losing session.I realize that 130 bucks is not a big deal at 4/8, but I was only 'unstuck' for about 45 minutes to an hour during the night.My problems:1. Think I hit my tired limit around 2 or so. Should have gotten up and walked around for a minute. Honestly, not knowing the next time I'd be able to play live, I just didn't want to get up. If I would have gotten up for about 10-15 minutes or so, gotten some coffee and just relaxed, I think I would have done much better.2. Playing junk 'questionable' hands in the middle of the pack. Kept watching what hands seemed to win and then starting calling Q/10 os in middle position and then not sure what to do when a 10 hits the flop and someone bets out (end up losing to K/10 and A/10 of course). Just not thinking about position and styles of play. 3. Not letting go of big hands. That whole thing of AA, KK and A/K (that hits) and not letting go when there's a 'lot' of betting from people that have showed they know what they're doing. I just need to learn to let go of hands (big ones especially) at the point that I'm 95% sure that I'm beat but I call down just to see that I'm beat and then complain in my head. Just dumb.It seems like the 'pros' of poker are the ones who let go of big hands when they're beat and have a good grasp of the other player's cards and can maximize value on them.Thanks again guys for the comments. I'll see if I can pick up Low Stakes before the next trip. I think if I played right now, I'd do fine (playing good hands, letting go of losers, and not be results oriented (not calling with junk because people are winning with it).I can't wait to go play again now.Thanks CinciKid for the book recomend and the critique. I enjoy critique as it usually makes me a better player (and musician for a living).

[mark_999 0]

Thanks guys I appreciate it.It's hard when you don't get to play a ton, but you feel like you're a pretty good player, and have a losing session.I realize that 130 bucks is not a big deal at 4/8, but I was only 'unstuck' for about 45 minutes to an hour during the night.My problems:1. Think I hit my tired limit around 2 or so. Should have gotten up and walked around for a minute. Honestly, not knowing the next time I'd be able to play live, I just didn't want to get up. If I would have gotten up for about 10-15 minutes or so, gotten some coffee and just relaxed, I think I would have done much better.2. Playing junk 'questionable' hands in the middle of the pack. Kept watching what hands seemed to win and then starting calling Q/10 os in middle position and then not sure what to do when a 10 hits the flop and someone bets out (end up losing to K/10 and A/10 of course). Just not thinking about position and styles of play. 3. Not letting go of big hands. That whole thing of AA, KK and A/K (that hits) and not letting go when there's a 'lot' of betting from people that have showed they know what they're doing. I just need to learn to let go of hands (big ones especially) at the point that I'm 95% sure that I'm beat but I call down just to see that I'm beat and then complain in my head. Just dumb.It seems like the 'pros' of poker are the ones who let go of big hands when they're beat and have a good grasp of the other player's cards and can maximize value on them.Thanks again guys for the comments. I'll see if I can pick up Low Stakes before the next trip. I think if I played right now, I'd do fine (playing good hands, letting go of losers, and not be results oriented (not calling with junk because people are winning with it).I can't wait to go play again now.Thanks CinciKid for the book recomend and the critique. I enjoy critique as it usually makes me a better player (and musician for a living).

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[TwoFourOffsuit 0]

I'd have raised those Kings preflop. Early raises often knock out those sub-borderline 46off hands who'd otherwise limp in, reducing your chances of getting sucked out. Even if that guy's a LAGish donk, he may have folded to an early raise.

[Entrepeneur 0]

I'd have raised those Kings preflop. Early raises often knock out those sub-borderline 46off hands who'd otherwise limp in, reducing your chances of getting sucked out. Even if that guy's a LAGish donk, he may have folded to an early raise.

Yeah..thinking back about that now, that may have got him out of there.If I raise UTG, the next guy (who did raise originally) 3 bets, he may have folded knowing that we were gonna go after each other. Of course, he could have done the same and capped with his 4/6os. I feel like in the long run, I love having guys do that. I think I just happen to hit a tough night where it was difficult to put people on hands as we had 7 to the flop with a raise under the gun. I'll play more straight ahead next time I'm there.

[jay1085 0]

Was in LA this last week for meetings.Played Friday night at Commerce from about 9pm to 7:20am and then went straight to airport to fly home (36 years old with kids...not real close to casinos...had to get a live fix).I did watch Cindy Violette and Freddy Deeb play for just a little bit (floorman wouldn't let me watch Freddy play without sitting, so I left).OK...question.I'm playing $4/8 Limit.I'm under the gun with KK (3rd hand I've played at this table).I limp in (waiting for a raise).Next guys raises. Around to me. I 3-bet.He just calls and a guy other side caps it.Flop comes J-4-6 osThat cap guy bets out. I re-raise. He re-raises me there. Feels weird to me, I call not cap.He tells me he has 2 pair (trying to understand that)I check-call turn and river.He flips over 4/6 os2 other guys at the table seemed to play the same way.After that entire night, I end up down 130 bucks.Is this standard play for Limit where you're calling with small gappers (unsuited even) to try and crack any raiser?I used to assume that calling so many flops with so much junk, it would be hard to offset the missed hands to the pots you win.I certainly understand Daniel (and that post-flop great reading skills crew) that play No-Limit that way, but is this standard profitable play in limit?I'm really looking for answers here. I think it was just a tough night of cards for me as well. Saw maybe 10 AA, KK, AK hands from 9-7, and not much more. The hands I would have won with were 1 off button with 2/5os (80 buck pot) and such like that. Total junk but near the button.Did I hit the bad card night with the crazy players or am I just missing the 'profitable' way to play 4/8?Thoughts would be great.Think we're going back end of Feb. and I'd love to be better prepared.Thanks.Think I had the J/10 or 10/9 suited hand about 20-30 times and it was 2/7/4 or something on the flop 90percent. Flopped 1 open ended (that missed) with the 'fun' hands.

Was Cindi and Freddy playing Limit??? What Stakes?????

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Was Cindi and Freddy playing Limit??? What Stakes?????

Cindi was playing StudDon't remember on Freddy's game now. I walked up looked (think it was Stud). 4 Handed and everybody was talking to each other. After about 30 seconds the floorman came over and said, "I'm sorry...blah blah blah..." Basically I could play if I wanted, but not sit and stare.Considering that I'm posting about my $4/8 Limit game losing night (only $130 bucks total), I would not be sitting down at their game.My current bankroll doesn't really cover a round of blinds for their game.Going back in 2 weeks (2 weeks from Wed.).Looking forward to being shoo'd away from more poker players.:)I'm ready now to 'dominate' the $4/8 game. Might even get crazy and go to the $5/10.