2-5 Nl @ Wynn...... Bad Call?

[BigFish 0]

I was in Vegas over the weekend and played at the Wynn the entire time. I had sat down with 1k. Game was pretty loose (typical on the weekend in Vegas), a new player sat down about 15 mins before and was a middle aged guy who sat down 3 seats to my left with a beer and immediatly ordered another (I am sober at this point), and I havent seen him show down a hand yet. I pick up two black Kings in the SB, he raises to $15 two players call, I make it $60 total, other two guys fold and SB calls immediatly. Flop Kh Jh 9dI bet $90, he callsTurn 10d, I check, he moves in for $250My thinking was that the only hand he could have that would beat me would be QQ, I also thought he would have reraised me preflop or at least not auto-call when I reraised.Anyways I made the call and lost

[benhoug 0]

I was in Vegas over the weekend and played at the Wynn the entire time. I had sat down with 1k. Game was pretty loose (typical on the weekend in Vegas), a new player sat down about 15 mins before and was a middle aged guy who sat down 3 seats to my left with a beer and immediatly ordered another (I am sober at this point), and I havent seen him show down a hand yet. I pick up two black Kings in the SB, he raises to $15 two players call, I make it $60 total, other two guys fold and SB calls immediatly. Flop Kh Jh 9dI bet $90, he callsTurn 10d, I check, he moves in for $250My thinking was that the only hand he could have that would beat me would be QQ, I also thought he would have reraised me preflop or at least not auto-call when I reraised.Anyways I made the call and lost

First off, sorry you lost w/ a set of kings, that sucks....Second - don't post results 'till you hear what others have to say...Third - let's look at the hand.I'm confused. Are you the SB, or is he??? You have it written both ways. Either way w/ a raise and 2 callers if I have 2 Kings I'm re-raising also, but likely a little more than you did. I think you're out of position, so I want to get rid of the rifraff and take control of the hand.Your bet on the flop is right, and based on your p/f re-raise, probably about the right amount. You bet $90 into a $150 pot. Sounds good to me.On the turn there is $330 in the pot and he bets $250. You've got top set and a gutshot. Even if you are behind you've still got outs - 1 King 3 9s, 3 Js, 3 10s and Xqueens. You've got at least 11 outs, maybe as many as 13 and you're getting about 2.3:1 on your money. I feel like you're beating too many hands, and only losing to too few to consider folding here. You might be beat, but you obviously can't know that for sure, so I feel like you've got to call.

[iggymcfly 0]

You definitely have to call here. When the straight hits, a typical player is more likely to try to "milk" you then to just jam all-in on the turn. With no readm you have to allow at least a 25-30% for a bluff. Combine that with your 1 in 4 chance of drawing out and you've got an automatic call.

[BIG_L_RIP 0]

bet more on flop.

[Andy Beal 0]

Anyways I made the call and lost

He had QQ or what?

[krup24 0]

bet more on flop.

I concur, Pot is $150 with draws on the board, I bet at least the pot.

[David_Nicoson 1]

I was in Vegas over the weekend and played at the Wynn the entire time. I had sat down with 1k. Game was pretty loose (typical on the weekend in Vegas), a new player sat down about 15 mins before and was a middle aged guy who sat down 3 seats to my left with a beer and immediatly ordered another (I am sober at this point), and I havent seen him show down a hand yet. I pick up two black Kings in the SB, he raises to $15 two players call,

What position is the raiser in?15 x 4 + 5 = 65 in the pot.A pot-sized raise here is 65 + 15 = 80. I would raise at least that much. I have a big hand, the pot is already fairly large, and I'm going to play the rest of the hand out of position. I don't mind winning it there.

I make it $60 total, other two guys fold and SB calls immediatly.

15 x 2 + 5 + 60 x 2 = 155. Right?

Flop Kh Jh 9d

That's something for everyone. That flop hit him, too, someway. I'd come out charging.

I bet $90, he calls

Pot = 155 + 180 = 335

Turn 10d, I check, . . .

Why do you check here? (I'm not saying it's bad, I just want your angle on it.)If your intent was to induce a bluff, it worked, and you call.

he moves in for $250My thinking was that the only hand he could have that would beat me would be QQ, . . .

Also, A Q , but yes, not many hands.[sNIP]You're getting (250+335)/250 = 2.3:1 here. If we're behind, then we have to hit one of 10 outs (3.6:1). If we're ahead, we hope we're against a smaller set but he may still have several outs to a flush.Table that I'm giving up trying to format: His Hand Prob Outs % Equity ContributionP. Queens 0.60 10 0.22 0.13hearts w/A 0.15 36 0.78 0.12low hearts 0.05 39 0.85 0.04JJ or 99 0.20 45 0.98 0.20 ----------------- Sum = 0.49 Equity = $406I think we need to call here.

What position is the raiser in?15 x 4 + 5 = 65 in the pot.A pot-sized raise here is 65 + 15 = 80. I would raise at least that much. I have a big hand, the pot is already fairly large, and I'm going to play the rest of the hand out of position. I don't mind winning it there.15 x 2 + 5 + 60 x 2 = 155. Right? That's something for everyone. That flop hit him, too, someway. I'd come out charging.Pot = 155 + 180 = 335Why do you check here? (I'm not saying it's bad, I just want your angle on it.)If your intent was to induce a bluff, it worked, and you call.Also, A Q , but yes, not many hands.[sNIP]You're getting (250+335)/250 = 2.3:1 here. If we're behind, then we have to hit one of 10 outs (3.6:1). If we're ahead, we hope we're against a smaller set but he may still have several outs to a flush.Table that I'm giving up trying to format: His Hand Prob Outs % Equity ContributionP. Queens 0.60 10 0.22 0.13hearts w/A 0.15 36 0.78 0.12low hearts 0.05 39 0.85 0.04JJ or 99 0.20 45 0.98 0.20 ----------------- Sum = 0.49 Equity = $406I think we need to call here.

What the **** is wrong with my quoting in this post? ****.

I concur, Pot is $150 with draws on the board, I bet at least the pot.

I also agree. The theme of the hand here is that we bet small amounts when we're ahead and then call large amounts when we're behind.

[BigFish 0]

Sorry about the typo I accidently called him the SB, he was 3 to my left and I was the SB. Like the other guy said I really felt like the only hand that he could have that was beating me was QQ and a very slim chance he had AQ. Looking back, I definatly wish I would have bet more on the flop but it was one of those games where there were not a lot of bets north of $100, and I wanted his action if he had AK. He ended up having AQ, and then later, he snapped my KK later with a flop of J34 with 2 hearts and he moved all in on the turn which was the Ah.

[Jordan 1]

bet more on the flop...and maybe lay down to the guy the 2nd time when he makes the same type move on the turn.:x- Jordan

[BigFish 0]

bet more on the flop...and maybe lay down to the guy the 2nd time when he makes the same type move on the turn.:x- Jordan

I got away from the second one on the turn