Bubba83 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Table was relatively tight preflop before this, generally passive table, but usually 1 limper or 1 raiser from later position.UTG+1 stack: 5500Hijack stack: 4700CO stack: 5700Hero's stack: 6700BB's stack: 4300Blinds: 120/240 with a 25 anteHero has As QdUTG+1 limps, Hijack limps, CO limps, Hero calls, BB checks.Flop: Qh 10s 2cHero bets 1000, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hijack folds, CO folds.Turn: Qh 10s 2c JhHero bets 1600, BB moves all in for 3100 total, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.Villain in BB was new to the table as of like 3 hands ago and hasn't played one yet. I'm having problems with hands like these. I hate seeing the flop with this many people with an AQ out of position, but what am I going to do about it? I'd have to raise like 1/5 my stack to get anyone out, and even then I think at least 2 people are calling, and most of the time I will be acting first into 2 players when I've missed the flop. Which is why I went with just checking. On the flop I bet about 3/4 the pot, which I think was probably fine, I hated getting called by both of those guys, and didn't have a clue where I was at going into the turn. However, I wasn't really worried about seeing an AK, K9 or 98 from UTG+1. He wouldn't have limped with those I don't think, the BB could have any of those 3, really have no clue. Analysis on everything in red is appreciated. I always run into these icky hands while nearing the bubble lately, and they are just killing me. Please help me out! Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 That's a tough one - with that many limpers and since your M is just above 11 , I would just jam. The table has been passive so it's likely that they should fold to your all-in unless UTG+1 was limping with a huge hand (I doubt it five-handed).If I limp and I hit TPTK on the flop - I wouldn't lead out with a 2/3 continuation bet because of the four potential callers behind me - any caller starts to give other players the right odds to call. No flush draw but the straight draw is a possibility. However, any overbet pot-commits me...Bad situation, I jam the flop reluctantly. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 It wasn't 5 handed, I just left out the other players folds. Someone had just busted at the table though so we had one empty seat, which makes it 8-handed at Full Tilt. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 limping pre flop is the worst option. With everyone important on a low M you dont have to raise 5x bb to get them out. 800-900 should find some folds.It would help to know the rest of the tourney info..how may left, how many prizes, structure etc. If you are frar from the money, below average stack etc I would push. If your stack is competitive or you are near the money I would raise preflop and push that flop.With TPTK I dont want straight draws to think about calling. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 There were about 60 players left, 27 paid, I was a little above average stack. I also disagree with you that 800 or 900 would find some folds, it might fold the BB, but that's it. When people limp in in these tournies I've found they don't fold unless you more than 5x it, especially with this many limpers in the pot. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 There were about 60 players left, 27 paid, I was a little above average stack. I also disagree with you that 800 or 900 would find some folds, it might fold the BB, but that's it. When people limp in in these tournies I've found they don't fold unless you more than 5x it, especially with this many limpers in the pot.My experience has been just the opposite when the table is a lot of average stacks. Even a min raise is enough to chase 1 early limper, and then increase from there. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 Why would a guy limp EP and then fold to a minimum raise with all that money in the pot, as you suggest? Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Why would a guy limp EP and then fold to a minimum raise with all that money in the pot, as you suggest?Because they dont want to commit more of their stack OOP when they limped with suited connectors or low pairs thinking they are playing small ball. Even a min raise ruins their visions of implied odds that werent there in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites
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