blackntan06 0 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 1. Post this is Tournament Play next time.2. I would raise this in LP and hope to take the pot down pre-flop.3. Bet when the ace hits. This way you will know if they have a 10 or not, or even a ace with a bigger kicker.4. Many players at low limits check/call or check/raise when they have very strong hands.these are good facts jdr999. i would never limp in LP always raise in that position. Link to post Share on other sites
jakoye 0 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Not everyone who plays poker can afford to play at higher limits until they make the money. I've never heard anyone in any poker circle ever talk of your superior poker abilities so I'm sure that you are about as full of it as myself. Sorry I offended you for not using proper jargon and misusing words. You don't have to read this thread. NO ONE CARES if you don't weigh in on it. Believe it or not I don't care who you are or what you think so if you're not going to say anything productive why even bother? You are just perpetuating the opinion that you are an ass, and it's not even funny.FYP Link to post Share on other sites
chipkingpin 0 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 think about it... he called quickly on the flop... you should put him on a 10 or a 4 or a pokcet pair of some sort.He bet on the river when the ace and the king have came out... would he bet that with a 4? probably not. I think you have to put him on a 10 or an ace at that point. More likely a 10. Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 If you fold that river for 1/3rd of the pot bet in a $5 sng against an unknown, you suck at poker. Link to post Share on other sites
kers2 0 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 thechad it seems like you need more experience and better fundamentals. Your reasoning for the moves that you made is flawed. It's important to know why you are making the move and it doesnt seem like you know that yet.Raising A-4 in late position when you are first to enter a pot is to gain information in addition to trying to steal the blinds/play position. It doesnt seem like you have grasped this concept at all (re: only calling on the button when first to enter the pot)Also, it seems like you sniffed out that he might have it, but then totally went wrong afterwards. That being said, your call on the river was correct given the pot size... but do you understand where you played the hand wrong in other spots and why?Keep your head up you're just a little green around the ears Link to post Share on other sites
chipkingpin 0 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 If you fold that river for 1/3rd of the pot bet in a $5 sng against an unknown, you suck at poker.pot on river is 3*80+40 +120*2 = 510The other guy bets 300 thats not 1/3 the pot... I guess it is almost 1/3 after you add it to the pot.. but anyway. Think about the opponents play.. does it sound more like he has a king or a ten? I think a ten. If he had a king wouldnt he be happy to check it down considering there is an ace and a ten on the board? Value betting a king here is kind of far fetched even though I guess if you put yourself in the mindset of a total donk its possible that it would happen in a $5 s n g. I'd rather save my chips for a better spot. If the opponent is really value betting a king I'm sure you will find plenty of oppurtunities to exploit this. Link to post Share on other sites
loogie 115 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Don't limp with A4o. Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 pot on river is 3*80+40 +120*2 = 510 The other guy bets 300 thats not 1/3 the pot... I guess it is almost 1/3 after you add it to the pot.. but anyway. Think about the opponents play.. does it sound more like he has a king or a ten? I think a ten. If he had a king wouldnt he be happy to check it down considering there is an ace and a ten on the board? Value betting a king here is kind of far fetched even though I guess if you put yourself in the mindset of a total donk its possible that it would happen in a $5 s n g. I'd rather save my chips for a better spot. If the opponent is really value betting a king I'm sure you will find plenty of oppurtunities to exploit this.Sorry, its 760:300; or 2.5 to one roughly.And it's still a horrible fold.The entire rationale is horrible. If you check behind when the ace hits, he has ever reason to value bet a king. And he also has a good reason to bluff. But even if we dont think that he's putting much thought into his decision, the very fact that you checked behind on the turn means that he's going to bet a lot of hands at that river. A LOT of hands - and you beat the majority of them. You chop with a lot of them too, but calling for a chop when the pot is laying you 2.5:1 is a winning call, not a break even call.But even if this was a simplified world where he either had a king or a 10; he would need to have a ten beyond two and a half times more often than he has a king to make it a clear fold.Oh shit! He called a bet on the flop for a fraction of the pot in a $5 sit and go! If that's all the evidence you need to suspect a monster, you might be a weak/tight.If you find yourself wanting to "wait for a better spot" when faced with this situation, you might be a weak/tight.If your W$SD is more than 75%, you might be a weak/tight. Link to post Share on other sites
Thriceknurd 0 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 In response to the OP... I was in the same situation as you at a $1-3 no limit table at a casino not to long ago, except I have QQ and raise it up UTG to $12 only to get an amazing 4 callers.The flop came out as 10 10 4 with 2 hearts.BB is still in the hand and checks to me,where I bet out $20 to see where I'm at in the hand and to protect from the potential flush draw. Interestingly enough, I get only 1 call which came from the BB hand. Turn is a 6. BB checks to me. I check right behind him because I didn't feel I had the best hand now. I was CERTAIN I was beat by trips. The dude was an old guy who I've constantly played against and never chases. So that was that.River was A QUEEN to fill me up! I couldn't believe it. BB bets fricken $5 on the river into an $80 pot LoL. I instantly raise all in with my last $60 knowing he had a hand he couldn't laydown. Board 10 10 4 6 QHe quickly calls to show 10 6 for a smaller fullhouse.I love it. Anyways, this thread isn't about me it's about YOU. Just wanted to let you know I was in a similar situation with different results. Link to post Share on other sites
Simpleton 0 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 I know how to tell if someone has trips: You flip up 2 pair and he flips up trips Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 BB is still in the hand and checks to me,where I bet out $20 to see where I'm at in the hand and to protect from the potential flush draw. Interestingly enough, I get only 1 call which came from the BB hand. Turn is a 6. BB checks to me. I check right behind him because I didn't feel I had the best hand now. I was CERTAIN I was beat by trips. The dude was an old guy who I've constantly played against and never chases. So that was that.I have a hard time believing that there exists a player stupid enough to call 4x the bb preflop out of position, and then fold a flush draw for a bet 1/3rd the size of the pot on the flop. ...The fact that he had a 10 doesnt mean that was probable given the information you had.But if he had a flush draw and you gave him a free card, we probably wouldnt have heard this lovely story. Link to post Share on other sites
gaddyjr 0 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 what else would he smooth call with on a flop of 10 10 4? Did you think he had a straight draw? :clap: :clap: :clap: This post should have ended right here. SK hit it on the money Link to post Share on other sites
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