$50 to $1000 on pstars day 20

[Smasharoo 0]

The GoalTo turn $50 in my first Pokerstars deposit into $1000.The RulesI'll play only Limit games, primarily Holdem, though I might mix in some O8 or Stud etc. later on.I won't move up in limits without at least 300BB for the new limit. I will post hands that I win and lose and explain my thinking behind how I played them.I'm too lazy to spellcheck. Deal with it.Another day on the railroad:Ho hum nothing special. Ussual 200 hand, 20BB session.A hand for Wrto.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Jh Jc]Offhoff: folds bigmike1: calls $0.25SSommer: folds kefalo_muni: folds thecandle: raises $0.25 to $0.50HarmonicaMan: raises $0.25 to $0.75#1MFFL: folds GoToBoy: folds bigmike1: folds thecandle: calls $0.25Capping is a little much with JJ.*** FLOP *** [Ac 5c 8h]thecandle: checks HarmonicaMan: bets $0.25thecandle: raises $0.25 to $0.50little08 joins the table at seat #3 HarmonicaMan said, "AK?"HarmonicaMan: calls $0.25AK? Yeah, if you have AQ/KK/QQ/ etc, it's AK.*** TURN *** [Ac 5c 8h] [Ts]thecandle: bets $0.50HarmonicaMan: folds thecandle collected $3.10 from potthecandle: doesn't show hand Agressive enough? *** HOLE CARDS ****** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Qc Qd]flopdead: calls $0.25ThrillSeeker: folds DestinyBound: folds borgman: folds Bagggy: folds LTHRN8: folds LTHRN8 said, "i can't make a draw for the life of me!!"lycan25: folds thecandle: raises $0.25 to $0.50wasarich: folds flopdead: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [4d Kh Ad]thecandle: bets $0.25Bagggy said, "lol im sameits killing me"flopdead: folds thecandle collected $1.25 from potthecandle: doesn't show hand /shrug.Dealt to thecandle [Ac Ah]Imaginethat1: calls $0.25cogger-04: folds SSommer: calls $0.25PatNic: folds kefalo_muni: folds thecandle: raises $0.25 to $0.50HarmonicaMan: folds #1MFFL: folds norby76: folds GoToBoy: calls $0.25Imaginethat1: calls $0.25SSommer: calls $0.25AA, my last hand of the session, sweet.*** FLOP *** [Qs 2d Ts]GoToBoy: checks #1MFFL is sitting outImaginethat1: checks SSommer: checks thecandle: bets $0.25GoToBoy: calls $0.25Imaginethat1: calls $0.25SSommer: calls $0.25So far so good.*** TURN *** [Qs 2d Ts] [Jd]GoToBoy: bets $0.50Imaginethat1: calls $0.50HarmonicaMan is sitting outSSommer: folds #1MFFL has returnedthecandle: calls $0.50Him waking up means the straight or two pair. I figure I have plenty of outs to call and I can't fold on the river for one bet, but I', 80% certain I'm beat right now.*** RIVER *** [Qs 2d Ts Jd] [4h]GoToBoy: bets $0.50Imaginethat1: folds thecandle: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***GoToBoy: shows [Jh Td] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)thecandle: mucks hand GoToBoy collected $5.35 from potFixed I tell ya! TJo? Are you kidding me??? This game is like the lottery...for him. Sometimes people win the lottery, but the people running it probbaly do ok.Dealt to thecandle [Qd Kh]thecandle: raises $0.25 to $0.50bigslick_STX: folds Nash500: folds katladee: folds yellowjack: folds countone: folds Jero: folds TXXS: folds JGIII: folds Batou: folds thecandle collected $0.60 from potthecandle: doesn't show hand Full of calling stations these games.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Jh Ad]jblank: folds FastSVT: folds ThatsCorrect: folds Yomobear: folds Jammy77: folds yellowjack: folds Mike3097: calls $0.25madero: calls $0.15thecandle: raises $0.25 to $0.50Mike3097: calls $0.25madero: calls $0.25I raise AJ on the button, you should too.*** FLOP *** [Ah 7s Th]madero: checks thecandle: bets $0.25Mike3097: raises $0.25 to $0.50madero: folds thecandle: calls $0.25I have no idea what this raise means. I do know I'm not laying down TP here.*** TURN *** [Ah 7s Th] [8h]thecandle: checks Mike3097: bets $0.50thecandle: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Ah 7s Th 8h] [Kc]thecandle: checks Mike3097: bets $0.50thecandle: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***Mike3097: shows [3c Ac] (a pair of Aces)thecandle: shows [Jh Ad] (a pair of Aces - Jack kicker)thecandle collected $4.50 from potHey thanks for getting that flop riase in against a pre-flop raiser when an ace hit's the board and you have A3.Appreciate it.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Ks Jd]Nash500: calls $0.25katladee: folds yellowjack: folds countone: folds Jero: calls $0.25raunee: folds JGIII: folds Batou: folds thecandle: calls $0.15bigslick_STX: checks I complete with KJ in the SB.*** FLOP *** [Js Kd Ad]thecandle: bets $0.25bigslick_STX: calls $0.25Nash500: calls $0.25Jero: foldsNot a good board to give a free card on going for a C/R. *** TURN *** [Js Kd Ad] [7d]thecandle: bets $0.50bigslick_STX: calls $0.50Nash500: calls $0.50I think a flush raises here, and a straigh raises the flop. I'm value betting the river unless it's an obviouslly dangerous card like a Q or a T.*** RIVER *** [Js Kd Ad 7d] [Ts]thecandle: checks raunee is disconnected bigslick_STX: checks Nash500: checks *** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [Ks Jd] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)bigslick_STX: mucks hand Nash500: mucks hand thecandle collected $3.25 from potNot much value in the extra bet with 4 to straight and three to a flush on board.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Kd Kh]PatNic: folds kefalo_muni: folds thecandle: raises $0.25 to $0.50HarmonicaMan: folds norby76: folds GoToBoy: folds Imaginethat1: calls $0.50cogger-04: folds SSommer: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [Ks Ad Ah]Dream flop (except against AK naturally) SSommer: checks thecandle: bets $0.25Imaginethat1: folds SSommer: folds thecandle collected $1.60 from potthecandle: doesn't show hand No action *** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Qd Jd]jwb1948: folds devosr: folds ProtonDecay: folds 785n54h4: folds purediesel1: folds Peekiboo81: calls $0.25topslick: calls $0.25Giant1: folds TRISHKABOB: folds TRISHKABOB is sitting outthecandle: checks I check in the BB with JQs.*** FLOP *** [9d 5h Tc]thecandle: bets $0.25Peekiboo81: calls $0.25topslick: calls $0.25Good flop for me.*** TURN *** [9d 5h Tc] [Ac]thecandle: checks Peekiboo81: checks topslick: checksGood free card for me. *** RIVER *** [9d 5h Tc Ac] [Kd]thecandle: bets $0.50Peekiboo81: raises $0.50 to $1topslick: folds thecandle: raises $0.50 to $1.50Peekiboo81: calls $0.50Good action on the river for me when I have the stone cold frozen in liquid nitrogen hairy sticky full of love and joy nuts.*** SHOW DOWN ***thecandle: shows [Qd Jd] (a straight, Ten to Ace)Peekiboo81: mucks hand thecandle collected $4.60 from potHe had KT.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [7s 7h]yellowjack: folds romano353: folds Jero: folds near the end: folds JGIII: folds Batou: folds thecandle: calls $0.25dginn: folds Nash500: calls $0.15Gambloor37: checks I'd have raised if I'd have been paying attention.*** FLOP *** [Tc 8h 6d]Nash500: checks Gambloor37: checks thecandle: bets $0.25Nash500: calls $0.25Gambloor37: foldsI bet what's probably the best hand in this pot, my pair and OESD. *** TURN *** [Tc 8h 6d] [7c]Nash500: checks thecandle: bets $0.50Nash500: calls $0.50Four to a straight, but heads up. If this is 4 ways I probably check/call it down.*** RIVER *** [Tc 8h 6d 7c] [2s]Nash500: folds thecandle collected $2.25 from potthecandle: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***/shrug.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Qc Ks]BeadMan leaves the tableLTHRN8: folds lycan25: folds CURB: folds thecandle: raises $0.25 to $0.50wasarich: folds flopdead: folds ThrillSeeker: folds DestinyBound joins the table at seat #4 topdogfu: calls $0.40Bagggy: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [Kd 3h Kh]topdogfu: checks Bagggy: bets $0.25thecandle: raises $0.25 to $0.50topdogfu: folds Bagggy: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Kd 3h Kh] [9s]Bagggy: checks thecandle: bets $0.50Bagggy: folds thecandle collected $2.60 from potthecandle: doesn't show hand For value against the flush draw or a worse king.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [Qd Td]ProtonDecay: folds 785n54h4: folds purediesel1: calls $0.25holdemhigh25: folds topslick: folds Giant1: folds thecandle: calls $0.25jwb1948: calls $0.15devosr: checks I call on the button with QTs.*** FLOP *** [8h Ad 5d]jwb1948: checks devosr: checks purediesel1: checks thecandle: bets $0.25jwb1948: folds devosr: folds purediesel1: folds thecandle collected $1 from potthecandle: doesn't show hand Bet my flush draw for value, but this is ok too. Damn calling stations.*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to thecandle [2h 8d]jwb1948: folds devosr: folds ProtonDecay: folds 785n54h4: folds purediesel1: folds holdemhigh25: folds topslick: folds Giant1: folds TRISHKABOB has timed outTRISHKABOB: folds TRISHKABOB is sitting outthecandle collected $0.20 from potthecandle: doesn't show hand Damn loose tables.Dealt to thecandle [Kd Ad]thecandle: raises $0.25 to $0.50HarmonicaMan: calls $0.50#1MFFL: folds norby76: folds GoToBoy: folds Imaginethat1: folds bigmike1: folds SSommer: folds Vokey: folds kefalo_muni: folds I raise UTG with AKs.*** FLOP *** [Kc 8h 6c]bigmike1 leaves the tablethecandle: bets $0.25HarmonicaMan: calls $0.25I bet it.*** TURN *** [Kc 8h 6c] [9d]thecandle: bets $0.50HarmonicaMan: calls $0.50Bet it again.*** RIVER *** [Kc 8h 6c 9d] [9s]thecandle: bets $0.50cogger-04 joins the table at seat #1 HarmonicaMan: folds thecandle collected $2.85 from pot/shrug.Sorry, not much content today, but I have a party to get to in twenty minutes, so you'll have to live with it.ResultsStarting Bankroll: $219.01Ending Bankroll: $232.09Playtime: 200 hands and whatever I won playing .5/.10 O8 in the wee hours of the morning.Net: $~13BB/100: 6ish.

[Ed 0]

Smash, you mention raising AJ off on the button, which I certainly wouldn't argue with. What's your thought on raising it from EP? This has been an issue for me lately - raising it early but missing most often. Given the double gap and no suits, I don't know if it's better to call (say UTG or UTG +1), or whether a raise is still appropriate.

[Smasharoo 0]

Raise it UTG unless the game isn't that great, in which case limp with it til middle.The Stars micro games feature a weird mix of players where a lot of them play tightly pre-flop but don't understand raises and will cold call with hands like KJ or 89s so I raise it UTG there.

[NormanHaupt 0]

lol I'm staying lower limits than you play so I don't end up getting one of those "Thanks for raising on the flop with your KQo with an ace down" comment

[monoatomic 0]

Okay I know being aggressive is good an all, but come now.You flop a boat Kings full of aces, and the only two hands you would even be remotely worried about is AA or AK. Why bet when you know almost any holding is going to fold? Why not slow play that?

[wrto4556 0]

Okay I know being aggressive is good an all, but come now.You flop a boat Kings full of aces, and the only two hands you would even be remotely worried about is AA or AK. Why bet when you know almost any holding is going to fold? Why not slow play that?

And give a free card to AQ, AJ, AT, A9, A8, A7, A6, A5, A4, A3, and A2?Plus, at tight tables you wont get much action with two aces on the board unless someone has one in their hand. Plus2, it's almost never correct to slowplay at micro-limits, most of the time you get called down by multiple players.

[WaffleMcHat 0]

Okay I know being aggressive is good an all, but come now.You flop a boat Kings full of aces, and the only two hands you would even be remotely worried about is AA or AK. Why bet when you know almost any holding is going to fold? Why not slow play that?

I know from from what I have read that slowplaying is almost NEVER the right play in low limit fixed. People will always chase you to the end no matter what usually and to maximize your profits you have to bet your monster flops. I have experimented with slowplaying some and I always have bad results. Checkraising seems bad also many times because you isolate possible callers and end up winning a smaller pot. I think if you get headsup slowplaying is profitable but other than that it is never worth doing in low limit fixed.Not sure if im qualified to answer this question but I hope this helps.

[Guest]

i have to disagree with wrto and smash here, i would definiately attempt to slowplay this. you WANT to give free cards to your opponents when you flop a boat.

[Guest]

let me elaborate on that. any opponent with an ace will be involved until the showdown, so your bet on the flop is not going to make them fold, nor your bet on the turn. why not at least try and get value off both opponents instead of one opponent later on, when they both could potentially call you with lesser hands, or one of them could throw out a 50 cent big bet to test the waters?

[Wilderness 0]

let me elaborate on that. any opponent with an ace will be involved until the showdown, so your bet on the flop is not going to make them fold, nor your bet on the turn. why not at least try and get value off both opponents instead of one opponent later on, when they both could potentially call you with lesser hands, or one of them could throw out a 50 cent big bet to test the waters?

If your bet on the turn isn't going to make them fold, that's great, because you are making them pay to hit their 3 outs. Which would be a lot more profitable then letting them try to hit that 3 outer for free. Any hand with an A is going to go to the river like you said, so you have to make them pay for it. Maybe the person holding the case K will take that one for a ride too, its possible at these limits.Sure, if you knew that someone with QJ was drawing to a straight you'd like to see them hit it, but it seems like slowplaying this is less profitable than just betting out from the start.

[RonBurgundy 0]

also, some lesser players with an ace could possibly check the flop thinking they're slowplaying. In my experience, bet it, and you'll usually get called down, maybe even by someone with the case king.

[Guest]

let me elaborate on that. any opponent with an ace will be involved until the showdown, so your bet on the flop is not going to make them fold, nor your bet on the turn. why not at least try and get value off both opponents instead of one opponent later on, when they both could potentially call you with lesser hands, or one of them could throw out a 50 cent big bet to test the waters?

If your bet on the turn isn't going to make them fold, that's great, because you are making them pay to hit their 3 outs. Which would be a lot more profitable then letting them try to hit that 3 outer for free. Any hand with an A is going to go to the river like you said, so you have to make them pay for it. Maybe the person holding the case K will take that one for a ride too, its possible at these limits.Sure, if you knew that someone with QJ was drawing to a straight you'd like to see them hit it, but it seems like slowplaying this is less profitable than just betting out from the start.

i know what you are saying, but slowplaying this can be profitable, you just have to take in the factors of position and your opponents' style of play. now if i was in late position being the last to act on the turn, i would put in the bet. smash bet out right on the flop in mid position, which i wouldn't do. i know he is 4 tabling, but i wouldn't bet the flop at all, even if it is a "beginner thing to do." i would rather sacrifice the flop round of betting and see what happens on the turn. if i was in smash's position, being in mid-position, i might go either way given the conditions, either bet or check and see if the player after me will put in a bet, and go for the C/R. like i said earlier, if i was last to act, i bet.

[Guest]

i cut that last post short, but to continue...i dont think it should be that ABC... if you are playing against two tight players, betting the flop, then betting the turn, by the turn two good players will fold their gutshot draws / underpairs looking to set. give them a free card. if one of them has an ace, and you're out of position, then there will probably be a bet. if it goes check check check, you can assume that no one has an ace, and if you would have bet it would have been fold fold (yes unless someone else is slowplaying behind you).if you are playing two loose players and you're in position, or even in the middle, then betting the turn is a good idea.

[MrConceit 0]

i cut that last post short, but to continue...i dont think it should be that ABC... if you are playing against two tight players, betting the flop, then betting the turn, by the turn two good players will fold their gutshot draws / underpairs looking to set. give them a free card. if one of them has an ace, and you're out of position, then there will probably be a bet. if it goes check check check, you can assume that no one has an ace, and if you would have bet it would have been fold fold (yes unless someone else is slowplaying behind you).if you are playing two loose players and you're in position, or even in the middle, then betting the turn is a good idea.

The problem with this is all of the longshot draws you're talking about rarely hit. Make them try to PAY for the draw since they aren't going to hit them very often anyway. With this flop you basically have to hope there is 1 (or maybe 2) people with an ace and they'll raise you on the turn. If nobody has an ace here you aren't going to make much money anyway. Unless you're in a table full of total fish, and if you are, get them to pay pay pay. In other words bet.[edit]Btw, a tight player doesn't call the flop bet on a gutshot with 7:1 odds anyway when the board is paired, so he won't even be there for the turn. Without the board pair possibly, but with a board pair and 7:1? HAH!A side note, I vote this for the best phrase of the week:SmasherooGood action on the river for me when I have the stone cold frozen in liquid nitrogen hairy sticky full of love and joy nuts.

[Guest]

mr conceit, you missed what i said. i think that making loose players (who will call) pay the turn is a good idea. if you're last to act on the turn, bet and charge your opponents.if you're out of position and there are loose players behind you that you know might bet, let them bet, then C/R.give your opponents a possible free turn card (by checking the FLOP). if you do luck out, this card will help one of their hands, even possibly significantly. tight players will fold their longshot draws on the turn bet. but like i said already a million times, if you are in good position, BET.

[wrto4556 0]

i have to disagree with wrto and smash here, i would definiately attempt to slowplay this. you WANT to give free cards to your opponents when you flop a boat.

Not this boat you don't. You give free cards when it's highly unlikely that a free card will beat you. Here, if someone has an ace, they could catch runner runner for a pair on board or they could pair their kicker.It is generally never correct to slowplay at micro-limits. Most of the time you will get people with any pocket pair to chase and try to outdraw you even though they are drawing dead. You will get JT and QT and QJ to try and draw to a straight even though they are drawing dead. It's ludicrous not to make them pay for those draws.

[Guest]

wrto read the rest of this thread.

[wrto4556 0]

wrto read the rest of this thread.

It's all the same. You don't slowplay this. I'm sorry.

[Guest]

wrto read the rest of this thread.

It's all the same. You don't slowplay this. I'm sorry.

it's all the same? haha.yeah, all your opponents have the same style of play. early position and late position are the same. i talked about betting the turn already..."highly unlikely" is you losing this hand with kings full of aces. come on, this isn't omaha. do the math yourself.

[Azalin 0]

Hey Smash.. Nice job again. I play at the same limit as you at PS but my results are far that great..I would like you to answer some questions if you may. If someone raises UTG (2 call the raise) and you are in : a)MP, b)CO, c)BB, d)button with what hands do u call the raise? With what hands to do reraise?If you hold KQ in CO and you raise pre-flop (3 callers) and the flop is Axx do you raise again if its checked to you? thanks in advance and keep posting man. you have helped to improve my game more than you can imagine..

[wrto4556 0]

wrto read the rest of this thread.

It's all the same. You don't slowplay this. I'm sorry.

it's all the same? haha.yeah, all your opponents have the same style of play. early position and late position are the same. i talked about betting the turn already..."highly unlikely" is you losing this hand with kings full of aces. come on, this isn't omaha. do the math yourself.

You do the math! :-) You are missing out on bets at this low of a limit! It has higher +EV betting your hand.

[Guest]

smash would say ABC-wise,re-raise with AK, AA, KK, QQ.call with AQ, but not with AJ or KQ. i would say that in the hand with KQ, bet to see where you are at.i also like to play the players, even in low limit, so you know i am incapable of 4 tabling.

[Guest]

wrto read the rest of this thread.

It's all the same. You don't slowplay this. I'm sorry.

it's all the same? haha.yeah, all your opponents have the same style of play. early position and late position are the same. i talked about betting the turn already..."highly unlikely" is you losing this hand with kings full of aces. come on, this isn't omaha. do the math yourself.

You do the math! :-) You are missing out on bets at this low of a limit! It has higher +EV betting your hand.

oh no! i missed out on a quarter!you don't flop full houses a lot you know.

[wrto4556 0]

wrto read the rest of this thread.

It's all the same. You don't slowplay this. I'm sorry.

it's all the same? haha.yeah, all your opponents have the same style of play. early position and late position are the same. i talked about betting the turn already..."highly unlikely" is you losing this hand with kings full of aces. come on, this isn't omaha. do the math yourself.

You do the math! :-) You are missing out on bets at this low of a limit! It has higher +EV betting your hand.

oh no! i missed out on a quarter!you don't flop full houses a lot you know.

Don't get upset. But poker is about maximizing EV. That quarter adds up. Thank you for aggreeing with me, even though in harsh words.

[Absolute 0]

i have to disagree with wrto and smash here, i would definiately attempt to slowplay this. you WANT to give free cards to your opponents when you flop a boat.

also you are disagreeing with david skalnsky, and that's just wrong. isnt it?