Whatever 1 Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Whatever is UTG with [Ks], [Qd]. Whatever raises, Whatever calls, MP3 calls, Button calls.Flop: (16.33 SB) [3d], [9s], [Qc] (4 players)BB bets, Button folds, BB calls, Whatever calls.Turn: (11.16 BB) [Qh] (3 players)BB checks, Whatever checks, MP3 bets, MP3 calls, BB calls.River: (23.16 BB) [7s] (3 players)BB checks, Whatever bets, MP3 calls, BB calls.Final Pot: 26.16 BB Link to post Share on other sites
Sushiman 0 Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 I fold preflop after the cap. KQ off suit is not something I want to be holding against a 3 bet and a cap from the BB unless I know they'd do this with a wide range. You are caught between two potentially big hands, who might be raising and reraising each other with you squeezed in the middle. This is the most expensive situation to get caught in, esp if you hit the flop and there's continued aggression. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted December 18, 2005 Share Posted December 18, 2005 Fold preflop.Raise that flop. Link to post Share on other sites
Whatever 1 Posted December 19, 2005 Author Share Posted December 19, 2005 I KNOW the raise utg was very wrong but you don't limp with KQo UTG? Wow.I was still on tilt from 6 max when I sat down at the 3/6 and this was my 4th hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 I KNOW the raise utg was very wrong but you don't limp with KQo UTG? Â Wow.I was still on tilt from 6 max when I sat down at the 3/6 and this was my 4th hand. Fold preflop.Raise that flop.I think (hope) Screech means fold preflop when it's 2 back to you.The preflop Raise is solid. Link to post Share on other sites
Shimmering Wang 1 Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 I KNOW the raise utg was very wrong but you don't limp with KQo UTG? Â Wow.I was still on tilt from 6 max when I sat down at the 3/6 and this was my 4th hand.No. I raise, then fold when it's 2-cold back to me.Wang Link to post Share on other sites
Whatever 1 Posted December 19, 2005 Author Share Posted December 19, 2005 Yea, it felt wrong calling the 2 cold back to me but tilt and stupidity are ugly cousins. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted December 19, 2005 Share Posted December 19, 2005 I think (hope) Screech means fold preflop when it's 2 back to you. Â The preflop Raise is solid.Yep. Link to post Share on other sites
Fat Tye 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Call me crazy, but I will often limp with KQ utg. This way if I am faced with a raise & re-raise I can muck. If not, I am comfortable with that hand for one or two bets. I know everyone is playing Ax and I am behind many hands from the go. A little passive I know, but I like to take flops and see what develops.Anyway, back to this hand ... I think you got yourself trapped and committed to the pot by raising. There are 10.5 bets here (because no one else is folding) so you are getting 5.25:1 with a KQ. I will take a flop with those odds anyday.I would raise the flop to see where I stand when the bets are still small and see if I can figure out if I am up against KK or AA. Because of how it played out and the Q hitting the turn, I think you played it very well. You have to assume you have a very good shot at winning this pot. If you were up against AA or KK they will continue to call and you will get paid. If someone have AQ or Qrag for a full house, so be it.I assume you won!?!? Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Anyway, back to this hand ... I think you got yourself trapped and committed to the pot by raising. There are 10.5 bets here (because no one else is folding) so you are getting 5.25:1 with a KQ. I will take a flop with those odds anyday.Looking at the pay in ratio form for preflop calls is misleading. If you could rip out your ethernet cable and use a disconnect protect i'd consider calling; but there are more important things to consider than preflop equity.You're (partially) out of position with a hand that is almost always going to be dominated; and you're usually going to have to pay people off when you make a second best hand.This is a fold preflop, unless both the 3bettor and the capper are maniacs. Link to post Share on other sites
Drwnded 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 With all this action, you weren't concerned about one of your opponents (MP3 for example) holding pocket 9's? Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 I'd be equally as concerned about AQ.Seems about as likely given action on flop/preflop, and there are roughly as many card combinations in the deck. Link to post Share on other sites
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