orville 0 Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Can you have to much patience? Last week on UB at the .25-.50 limit tables I folded 17 times in a row at one point. I had terrible hands, but is this to much patience. Should I at least call some raises with crap just to see the flop?Thanks Orville Link to post Share on other sites
HelioCentric 0 Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Can you have to much patience? Last week on UB at the .25-.50 limit tables I folded 17 times in a row at one point. I had terrible hands, but is this to much patience. Should I at least call some raises with crap just to see the flop?Thanks OrvilleI don't believe 17 hands in a row is anything excessive. That is less than 2 full orbits in a full ring game. You just gotta wait for cards and position. And if never of them are there, you fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Tsosumi 0 Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 From what I have read and heard the experienced pros write and/or say is that you need the patience to fold for hours if need be. If you get in the habit of playing marginal hands you will lose a lot of good habits and affect how other players percieve you. Link to post Share on other sites
TS Clark 0 Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Can you have to much patience? Last week on UB at the .25-.50 limit tables I folded 17 times in a row at one point. I had terrible hands, but is this to much patience. Should I at least call some raises with crap just to see the flop?If you're wondering about whether you should call raises with "crap" just to see a flop, you need to re-evaluate your approach. Calling raises with anything other than good cards (at least in a full-ring game) is just asking to get your butt kicked.If you have to fold 100 times in a row because that's what your cards and position dictate, then that's how many times you have to fold. You're not storing up "patience points" -- "OK, I've folded 15 times in a row now, so I'm going to play this K-2 offsuit and the gods of patience will now reward me."Each hand is a totally independent event at the table. How many hands you've played (or not played) prior to each new hand is irrelevant. You must evaluate each hand and situation without respect to your previous decisions to play (or not).It's hard, I know. But that's what you've got to to do.Shane Link to post Share on other sites
Sushiman 0 Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 No such thing as too much patience. If not playing a hand for 5 hrs is the right play, then you played perfect poker. Link to post Share on other sites
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custom36 5 Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 From what I have read and heard the experienced pros write and/or say is that you need the patience to fold for hours if need be.If you're folding for more than one hour at an online poker room, you need to find a new table. Link to post Share on other sites
UglyJimStudly 0 Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 Should I at least call some raises with crap just to see the flop?It depends on your definition of crap, and what the other folks are raising with. Plenty of times at microlimits I've seen players raise with crap that more sensible players wouldn't even play. Those players I'll happily take on with slightly better crap. OTOH, if you're pretty sure the raises are for real, then it's better to wait for better cards.And I agree with other posters, 17 hands is nothing special so far as bad runs of cards go. If that's the longest bad run you ever have to sit through, you can count yourself very lucky. Link to post Share on other sites
gadjet 11 Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 From what I have read and heard the experienced pros write and/or say is that you need the patience to fold for hours if need be.If you're folding for more than one hour at an online poker room, you need to find a new table.Where's the logic in that?!?!... I've folded for just under two hours before. Then I raised with crap and everyone folded, next three hands I hit monsters in a $10-20 kill game. $1000 bucks in 5 minutes after playing nothing for 2 hours... you can't have too much patience in limit poker. that is if you're a grinder. Link to post Share on other sites
custom36 5 Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 From what I have read and heard the experienced pros write and/or say is that you need the patience to fold for hours if need be.If you're folding for more than one hour at an online poker room, you need to find a new table.Where's the logic in that?!?!...You could find better cards against worse opponents at another table. 6-7 orbits of straight folding means you're at the wrong table. Link to post Share on other sites
orville 0 Posted May 31, 2005 Author Share Posted May 31, 2005 Thanks for the replies. I wanted to make sure I that I wasn't being paranoid about folding to much.Orville Link to post Share on other sites
gadjet 11 Posted May 31, 2005 Share Posted May 31, 2005 From what I have read and heard the experienced pros write and/or say is that you need the patience to fold for hours if need be.If you're folding for more than one hour at an online poker room, you need to find a new table.Where's the logic in that?!?!...You could find better cards against worse opponents at another table. 6-7 orbits of straight folding means you're at the wrong table.Ha! I repeat... where is the logic in that?!?!...The only valid point in that statement is that you may find worse opponents, but it would be hard to determine seeing the players weren't really affecting his game seeing he was folding anyways... although I suppose if it was a really aggressive table maybe he's folding to 3 bets every time... then I might look at moving tables... or capping preflop May just be a difference in beliefs or whatever, you believe that bad luck is attached to a seat or something like that... I believe the cards are random and changing seats to try and get better cards is a stretch.P.S. HOw'd you end up in that tourney yesterday? Link to post Share on other sites
Tsosumi 0 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 From what I have read and heard the experienced pros write and/or say is that you need the patience to fold for hours if need be.If you're folding for more than one hour at an online poker room, you need to find a new table.Where's the logic in that?!?!... I've folded for just under two hours before. Then I raised with crap and everyone folded, next three hands I hit monsters in a $10-20 kill game. $1000 bucks in 5 minutes after playing nothing for 2 hours... you can't have too much patience in limit poker. that is if you're a grinder.Whoops, you are right. I missed the limit part. Plus folding out of the blinds usually only occurs when someone raises the blinds. But one thing to note is to try to never play a hand just to play a hand. I have noticed in some games people give away a lot of chips playing hands because they are suited or they are connected or they are suited and connected. BUT, they are too low to be of any good if some one has overs on you. I have thrown away hands I have seen people go nuts over, such 6h7h or something like that. But forgive me if I am wrong, as i am more a no limit player, but shouldn't you be a little more aggressive in limit? Link to post Share on other sites
TruePoker 1 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 Regularly in low no limit games I will fold 30 times, If I pick up TT in UTG I can fold depending on the table. You just gotta remember you need the cards, the position and the number of players for a hand to be worth playing. Link to post Share on other sites
SOWhatKid 0 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 Sounds like you're alittle robotic maybe you should loosen up abit Link to post Share on other sites
TruePoker 1 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 Maybe you should stop following me around the forum and instead make some insightful helpful contributions to threads.... Link to post Share on other sites
Guest XXEddie Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 17 hands......PSHT! Link to post Share on other sites
SOWhatKid 0 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 Maybe you should stop following me around the forum and instead make some insightful helpful contributions to threads....[/quoteI was trying to help you out it seems you are uncreative at the table, and I suggested loosening up to get the other players at the table on their toes. What limits you playing by the way? Link to post Share on other sites
TruePoker 1 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 I play 2/4 and 3/6, both short hand and long hand. I also play 200 max buy in NL.I also play 2/4 Stud and Omaha if you want that info.I usually play 6-12 tables. Link to post Share on other sites
econ_tim 0 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 At the right table I will fold AA UTG, especially if I've folded every hand for the past two hours. That way I don't ruin my table image of "rock who plays no cards." All the other players are very impressed by my folding abilities. I say "you can't win if you don't fold." Link to post Share on other sites
TruePoker 1 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 folding AA is the most stupid thing I ever heard, what are they gonna say, this guy is a rock because he folds AA ?There is no way that they would not think you are a rock for playing AA UTG.... Link to post Share on other sites
SOWhatKid 0 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 I play 2/4 and 3/6, both short hand and long hand. I also play 200 max buy in NL.I also play 2/4 Stud and Omaha if you want that info.I usually play 6-12 tables.I recommend the short table for you so you see more card,and to get you out of the sheell you're currently in. Link to post Share on other sites
econ_tim 0 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 folding AA is the most stupid thing I ever heard, what are they gonna say, this guy is a rock because he folds AA ?There is no way that they would not think you are a rock for playing AA UTG....Dude, it's a jopke. But folding TT is kinda ridiculous too. What hand are you waiting for? Link to post Share on other sites
TruePoker 1 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 ok, well I have seen you play, and I have seen me play..... I make roughly 3 BB @3/6 short handed at each table and I make about 30BB / 100 @ Stud. I can guarantee that anything you tell me to do will affect my play for the worse... Link to post Share on other sites
SOWhatKid 0 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 folding AA is the most stupid thing I ever heard, what are they gonna say, this guy is a rock because he folds AA ?There is no way that they would not think you are a rock for playing AA UTG....He was being sarcastic Link to post Share on other sites
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