Balloon guy 158 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Besides...Donald Trump is going to reveal a bombshell tomorrow which may change the election completely. Link to post Share on other sites
JustDoIt 10 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 The 3rd debate sucked. Really, really bad. It was awful. With that said, it still happened, and it appears to me that Romney did everything he could to destroy his campaign. He agreed with Obama's policies, then said he would continue them. I saw no difference between the two and don't understand how an undecided, uninformed voter could vote for Romney based on that debate. Please tell me why I'm wrong. Check the focus groups and poll internals..............then get back to me. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 One thing I think we all can agree on.....besides Romney winning all three debates.... At least they are over. Now two more weeks, a couple parties, and we can go back to worrying about who killed the random cute blond girl that is on every station. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Check the focus groups and poll internals..............then get back to me. Ok I checked. Obama still won the last two debates. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Well at least you can say he won something this election cycle Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Well at least you can say he won something this election cycle besides winning me $100? Link to post Share on other sites
JustDoIt 10 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Ok I checked. Obama still won the last two debates. Obviously you did not check internals and focus groups. Debate Didn't Change The Dynamic; Obama More Aggressive, But Not More Persuasive http://www.wbur.org/2012/10/17/debate-dynamic-unchanged http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/1022PostDebatePoll.pdf Check out the Independents. More/Less Likely to Vote Obama? Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Obviously you did not check internals and focus groups. Debate Didn't Change The Dynamic; Obama More Aggressive, But Not More Persuasive http://www.wbur.org/...namic-unchanged http://www.publicpol...tDebatePoll.pdf Check out the Independents. More/Less Likely to Vote Obama? Todd Domke is WBUR’s Republican analyst. Thanks for the 5 second diversion. When you are desperately trying to parse things, you know your guy lost. Every poll by every organization had Obama winning the debate. I recognize that you can win the debate and still lose an election (exactly what is going to happen to Romney who won the first debate handily) but Obama won the individual debate. Just for future reference, no one is going to take you seriously just because you cherry picked one article and one poll. I could link 10 articles that say Obama won. Or I could just link Sean Hannity losing his mind about Mitt's passive performance. Link to post Share on other sites
akoff 0 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 At the end of the night i believe it is going to come down to Ohio. Whoever carries that is going to win and obviously the Socialist is slightly ahead there...it is going to be long night either way. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/10/22/vote-who-won-the-third-presidential-debate/ 60-40 for Obama on a FoxNews insider poll. That's fairly conclusive. hey, I finally agree with akoff, Romney will lose Ohio and thus the election. He will win FL like I predicted many months ago though. Link to post Share on other sites
JubilantLankyLad 1,957 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Or I could just link Sean Hannity losing his mind about Mitt's passive performance. Maybe you could just do that anyways, I'd like to see it. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Maybe you could just do that anyways, I'd like to see it. cant find video, here's the tweet that started it all: Sean Hannity ✔ @seanhannity Come on @MittRomney don't leave anything on the table here... #LynnDebate pic.twitter.com/ceTi7cQ2 Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 ian bremmer@ianbremmer Critical electoral margin: in Ohio, Wisconsin, and Iowa, Obama's campaign offices outnumber Romney's 256 to 77. Link to post Share on other sites
akoff 0 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 http://foxnewsinside...dential-debate/ 60-40 for Obama on a FoxNews insider poll. That's fairly conclusive. hey, I finally agree with akoff, Romney will lose Ohio and thus the election. He will win FL like I predicted many months ago though. if you were little more open minded we could agree on many things! in another election or two you will get older and realize i am not near as dumb as you believe, of course i will be retired (i think) by then and not sitting at my desk 3.5 days per week. Link to post Share on other sites
akoff 0 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 ian bremmer@ianbremmer Critical electoral margin: in Ohio, Wisconsin, and Iowa, Obama's campaign offices outnumber Romney's 256 to 77. That is because democrats have all the money...Romney is getting by on the few resourses he has...damn unions. The only one that matters is ohio. SW except for the damn unions. Link to post Share on other sites
SilentSnow 1 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 At the end of the night i believe it is going to come down to Ohio. Whoever carries that is going to win and obviously the Socialist is slightly ahead there...it is going to be long night either way. Well don't lose hope. Despite Obama leading in dozens of polls taken in Ohio and Romney showing no signs of catching up, Republicans are the ones counting the votes. They came through for Bush in 00 and 04 and things have not improved much since then. The only reason you have to worry is that Obama was the perfect candidate for neocons in 08. While they might have changed their mind since then, it is possible that they still believe that Obama is a better choice than Romney. Link to post Share on other sites
custom36 4 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 ian bremmer@ianbremmer Critical electoral margin: in Ohio, Wisconsin, and Iowa, Obama's campaign offices outnumber Romney's 256 to 77. Democrats have always preferred the ground game, while Republicans like to use mailers and airwaves. I don't think anyone's ever knocked on my (or my friends') door in support of a Republican candidate, and my household is listed as moderate in the computer databases. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,312 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I can't wait to see how many viewers watched. ian bremmer@ianbremmer 59.2 million watched last night's debate. that's a lot of disappointed people. Link to post Share on other sites
JustDoIt 10 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Todd Domke is WBUR’s Republican analyst. Thanks for the 5 second diversion. When you are desperately trying to parse things, you know your guy lost. Every poll by every organization had Obama winning the debate. I recognize that you can win the debate and still lose an election (exactly what is going to happen to Romney who won the first debate handily) but Obama won the individual debate. Just for future reference, no one is going to take you seriously just because you cherry picked one article and one poll. I could link 10 articles that say Obama won. Or I could just link Sean Hannity losing his mind about Mitt's passive performance. Sorry CainBrain should have said...........Obama won debate 2 and 3, but did he really win. I watched the debates then turned of the TV and did not listen to the radio. Waited for the polls and focus groups to get a snap shot of how other people saw it. As far as cherry picking no way. Posted wbur article because it had everything condensed...CBS CNN. The other article is from a democrat org. Other Sources I read on debates that was not good for Obama. msnbc cbs cnn and then there was this http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251168555 Always try to stay away from right leaning organizations As far as polls go I follow one period. Rasmussen, most accurate last election. Hannity, not a fan. But I am sorry I missed Pat Caddell on Hannity today. And I will stick with Internals and focus groups was not good for Obama. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 You saying you'll stick to Rasmussen is like me saying ill just watch msnbc going forward. Sticking to one polling company is silly when you can find someone aggregating every poll and simulating that information 1000 times to arrive at the most accurate forecast possible. Link to post Share on other sites
JustDoIt 10 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 You saying you'll stick to Rasmussen is like me saying ill just watch msnbc going forward. Sticking to one polling company is silly when you can find someone aggregating every poll and simulating that information 1000 times to arrive at the most accurate forecast possible. We will see, guy has a good record. Link to post Share on other sites
custom36 4 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 We will see, guy has a good record. Rasmussen? Lol, the only good record he has is that he consistently favors Republican candidates more than the actual results indicate. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Well don't lose hope. Despite Obama leading in dozens of polls taken in Ohio and Romney showing no signs of catching up, Republicans are the ones counting the votes. They came through for Bush in 00 and 04 and things have not improved much since then. The only reason you have to worry is that Obama was the perfect candidate for neocons in 08. While they might have changed their mind since then, it is possible that they still believe that Obama is a better choice than Romney. Told you Cane Link to post Share on other sites
JustDoIt 10 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Rasmussen? Lol, the only good record he has is that he consistently favors Republican candidates more than the actual results indicate. Better check your facts............I guess all the other polls are also biased for Rep., because they all are all pretty much in the same ball park. Like I said, he was spot on in 2008. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Everyone was pretty spot on in 2008, Gallup was probably spot on once too as was Reuters and whoever else. Nate Silver 's methodology is scientifically and mathematically sound and gives all polls a seat at the table. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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