Rules-can You Turn Your Cards Over?

[pikehunter 0]

I was at a home satellite tourny recently where a player turned his cards over in (2) different scenarios. There was a big disagreement about the rules:1) Player 1 checks. Player 2 (to his left) bets big. As player 1 is contemplating a call, the bettor turns his cards over (with a big pair) to discourage Player 1 to draw at his hand. Other players in the game said that hurt the integrity of the game because it affects all the other players as well (i.e. If Player 1 doesn't see that big pair, calls and gets knocked out...then it helps the other players).2) In this scenario, Player 1 checks. Player 2 (to his left) bets. As Player 1 is deciding whether to call, he turns his cards over to see the bettor's reaction. Again...another argument.Could someone tell me what the casino rule would be on these?Thank you.

[Balloon guy 158]

Most casinos do not let you turn over cards, especially in tournaments.But it is not forbidden, your hand isn't declared dead, you just get a penalty, or a warning first.At a home game we do it all the time, whenever you want.I do it all the time, show a single card etc. Sometimes with aces I turn them both over before I raise and I bet I still get called over 90% of the time I do this.Every other player is getting the exact same amount of information, but when you have more than 1 player in the hand, you could influence another player in a manner that negatively affects others.Say you have the nut flush draw, and show, now the king high will fold when he might have called otherwise. This makes the pot smaller for the eventual winner.But even this is nuetral, if you hit your flush, you hurt yourself more than you hurt the guy with 2 pair etc.Best to just decide before it comes up if you want to allow it, only heads up or anytime etc.

[pikehunter 0]

Most casinos do not let you turn over cards, especially in tournaments.But it is not forbidden, your hand isn't declared dead, you just get a penalty, or a warning first.At a home game we do it all the time, whenever you want.I do it all the time, show a single card etc. Sometimes with aces I turn them both over before I raise and I bet I still get called over 90% of the time I do this.Every other player is getting the exact same amount of information, but when you have more than 1 player in the hand, you could influence another player in a manner that negatively affects others.Say you have the nut flush draw, and show, now the king high will fold when he might have called otherwise. This makes the pot smaller for the eventual winner.But even this is nuetral, if you hit your flush, you hurt yourself more than you hurt the guy with 2 pair etc.Best to just decide before it comes up if you want to allow it, only heads up or anytime etc.

Thanks. What type of penalty? Like 10 minutes or something?

[Balloon guy 158]

Thanks. What type of penalty? Like 10 minutes or something?

Exactly, with some declaring your hand dead after the first warning, others make it 20 minutes the second time etc.Unfortunately there is no universal set of rules.So it pays to read the rules beforehand.

[pikehunter 0]

Exactly, with some declaring your hand dead after the first warning, others make it 20 minutes the second time etc.Unfortunately there is no universal set of rules.So it pays to read the rules beforehand.

That's what makes it tough. I assume many casinos have different rules. I wish the rules were universal. You get one person who has experience playing at a certain place and another with an understanding of the rules from another place... Is there a book of rules that is generally accepted? Maybe Robert's Rules would be a way to go?

[SuperJon 175]

That's what makes it tough. I assume many casinos have different rules. I wish the rules were universal. You get one person who has experience playing at a certain place and another with an understanding of the rules from another place... Is there a book of rules that is generally accepted? Maybe Robert's Rules would be a way to go?

I was playing some live 1/2NL last week, and I was involved in a pretty crazy hand.Me- around 200SB- around 150-160I open to 8 UTG with KK, guy in EP flats, hot chick who had played fairly solid in the SB makes it 18, I make it something like 48 or 50. The other dude folds and the SB just flats.The flop is K 10 6 all diamonds, and she insta shoves.She might have a flush there, but highly unlikely, but if she does I do have outs. Plus, I'm not good enough to lay down top set there in a live 1/2 game.So I try to be cool and pull an Ivey from PAD and turn my cards over on the table nowhere near the muck to represent a call. Then the ditzy blonde dealer, who wasn't even paying attention to the hand, decides to muck my cards and start washing the deck. Myself and almost everyone at the table instantly questioned what was going on. The floor was called, and my hand was declared dead, and the pot was to go to the SB. Honestly, I think any other dealer there, and this wouldn't have happened.The SB was very nice though, and even though by the rules, the pot should've been hers. She took back her all in bet, and split the pot with me letting me know I did have the best hand. So shame on me for trying to be suave, and not knowing the rules before hand. Kudos to the SB for doing what she did.

[BaseJester 1]

TDA42. Exposing CardsA player who exposes his cards with action pending may incur a penalty, but will not have a dead hand. The penalty will begin at the end of the hand.Robert's Rules, Tournaments22. Showing cards from a live hand during the action injures the rights of other players still competing in an event, who wish to see contestants eliminated. A player in a multihanded pot may not show any cards during a deal. Heads-up, a player may not show any cards unless the event has only two remaining players, or is winner-take-all. If a player deliberately shows a card, the player may be penalized (but his hand will not be ruled dead). Verbally stating one’s hand during the play may be penalized.

[mtdesmoines 3]

I was at a home satellite tourny recently where a player turned his cards over in (2) different scenarios. There was a big disagreement about the rules:1) Player 1 checks. Player 2 (to his left) bets big. As player 1 is contemplating a call, the bettor turns his cards over (with a big pair) to discourage Player 1 to draw at his hand. Other players in the game said that hurt the integrity of the game because it affects all the other players as well (i.e. If Player 1 doesn't see that big pair, calls and gets knocked out...then it helps the other players).2) In this scenario, Player 1 checks. Player 2 (to his left) bets. As Player 1 is deciding whether to call, he turns his cards over to see the bettor's reaction. Again...another argument.Could someone tell me what the casino rule would be on these?Thank you.

In a tourney? Dead hand.

[pikehunter 0]

In a tourney? Dead hand.

Did you see the Robert's Rule above? Per robert's...it would not be dead.

[rivergirl 2]

i've had my hand declared dead at a casino. Much like jon's story tho, i was lucky enough to have a player in the hand that was nice enough to split pot with me since we actually had the same 2 pair. I was actually watching an old episode of HSP last night where something similar happened and the dealer tried to declare a hand dead until the players told her they make their own rules.different casinos have different rules. You should have your home game set up rules so there is no question when those situations happen

[ghostlove 0]

in CT you cannot turn your hand over in a tourny, but in a cash game its allowable.

[Suited_Up 2]

in CT you cannot turn your hand over in a tourny, but in a cash game its allowable.

I think this is the most common way of doing things.

[ghostlove 0]

I think this is the most common way of doing things.

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