Easy Fold? Would Anyone Shove?

[wheezer16 0]

Sorry...don't know how to fix the hand converter.Villian is a tight-aggressive winning player: Free hand converter brought to you by http://www.cardrunners.comSeat 1: Dodolela06 ($37.90) - Seat 2: whezer16 ($100) - Seat 3: asendorf ($82.40)Seat 4: sipoon_kim ($102.20)Seat 5: jrockhaf ($193.50)Seat 6: tigerley89 ($47.50)Seat 7: GDAZ31 ($30.70)Seat 8: ibiza007 ($98.50)Seat 9: HitmanHaydon ($108.20) - [size:14pt][color:#000000]PRE-FLOP:[/size][/color]Dodolela06 [color:#272BA6]posts small blind $0.50[/color]whezer16 [color:#272BA6]posts BIG blind $1[/color]Dealt To: whezer16[color:#000000]FOLD asendorf[/color][color:#000000]FOLD sipoon_kim[/color][color:#000000]FOLD jrockhaf[/color][color:#B93238]CALL tigerley89[/color] ($1)[color:#B93238]CALL GDAZ31[/color] ($1)[color:#000000]FOLD ibiza007[/color][color:#272BA6]RAISE HitmanHaydon[/color] ($6)[color:#000000]FOLD Dodolela06[/color][color:#B93238]CALL whezer16[/color] ($5)[color:#B93238]CALL tigerley89[/color] ($5)[color:#000000]FOLD GDAZ31[/color][size:14pt][color:#000000]FLOP:[/size][/color]Pot: $19.5   [color:#000000]CHECK whezer16[/color][color:#000000]CHECK tigerley89[/color][color:#272BA6]BET HitmanHaydon[/color] ($16)[color:#272BA6]RAISE whezer16[/color] ($34)[color:#000000]FOLD tigerley89[/color][color:#272BA6]RAISE HitmanHaydon[/color] ($102.20)[color:#000000]FOLD whezer16[/color][color:#007F11]HitmanHaydon collected $84.5 from main pot[/color][size:14pt][color:#000000]SUMMARY:[/color][/size] Total pot: $87 Rake: $3Final Board:    Seat 1: Dodolela06 small blind folded before Flop - Net Gain/Loss: ($-0.5) Seat 2: whezer16 big blind folded on the Flop - Net Gain/Loss: ($-40) Seat 3: asendorf folded before Flop didnt bet - Net Gain/Loss: ($0) Seat 4: sipoon_kim folded before Flop didnt bet - Net Gain/Loss: ($0) Seat 5: jrockhaf folded before Flop didnt bet - Net Gain/Loss: ($0) Seat 6: tigerley89 folded on the Flop - Net Gain/Loss: ($-6) Seat 7: GDAZ31 folded before Flop - Net Gain/Loss: ($-1) Seat 8: ibiza007 folded before Flop didnt bet - Net Gain/Loss: ($0) Seat 9: HitmanHaydon button collected 84.50 - Net Gain/Loss: ($29.5)Free hand converter brought to you by http://www.cardrunners.com

[Sheiky 0]

Looks fine.

[AimHigher 0]

I would probably want to re-raise against a button raiser preflop, I'm sure he has a reasonably legitimate hand since he is raising on two limpers but we are ahead of his range IMO. I would rather lead the flop because the board is very drawy (straight draw/flush draw) than go for a check and risk it getting checked through. Check-raising is acceptable if you know that the button raiser makes frequent continuation bets though.Also if you paste the HH into notepad and go Edit -> Replace then type ":#" in the find box and "=" in the replace box, hit go and then paste it into the edit box for this thread it SHOULD fix the hand history.Edit: I just saw he re-raised you after you check raised, but the cards aren't showing up so I can't post an opinion on that. =P

[NonZeroPossibility 0]

blah... Hate this spot. Only thing you beat that shoves here is KJ or flush draw.... Split to AK. Lose to AA, KK, QQ, KQ, 55. Reluctantly fold I think.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Villian is a tight-aggressive winning player: Free hand converter brought to you by http://www.cardrunners.comSeat 1: Dodolela06 ($37.90) - Seat 2: whezer16 ($100) - Seat 3: asendorf ($82.40)Seat 4: sipoon_kim ($102.20)Seat 5: jrockhaf ($193.50)Seat 6: tigerley89 ($47.50)Seat 7: GDAZ31 ($30.70)Seat 8: ibiza007 ($98.50)Seat 9: HitmanHaydon ($108.20) - PRE-FLOP:Dodolela06 posts small blind $0.50whezer16 posts BIG blind $1Dealt To: whezer16FOLD asendorfFOLD sipoon_kimFOLD jrockhafCALL tigerley89($1)CALL GDAZ31($1)FOLD ibiza007RAISE HitmanHaydon($6)FOLD Dodolela06CALL whezer16($5)CALL tigerley89($5)FOLD GDAZ31FLOP:Pot: $19.5CHECK whezer16CHECK tigerley89BET HitmanHaydon($16)RAISE whezer16($34)FOLD tigerley89RAISE HitmanHaydon($102.20)whezer16 ?

[simo_8ball 0]

I repop to $22 preflop and call a shove.As played, if you aren't calling a shove don't raise the flop.

[Dictius 0]

If villain really is a tight aggressive winning player, then he probably has some sense of position and has a fairly wide range on the button, so I would definitely be reraising preflop.On the flop I might lead out on this draw heavy board and prevent him taking a free card to hit a draw. There are a bunch of cards that we don't want on the turn (any broadway card and any spade).When you decide to check/raise, why did you essentially minraise? I don't think that achieves much, it gives a good price for lots of hands (spades, TJ) to call and try and outdraw you ($18 more for the villain to with ~$70 in the pot). I can't really think of a good amount to check/raise that will give villain sufficiently bad odds to call and draw and won't leave an awkward amount of money left on the turn. I think this is why I prefer leading out.

[wheezer16 0]

If villain really is a tight aggressive winning player, then he probably has some sense of position and has a fairly wide range on the button, so I would definitely be reraising preflop.On the flop I might lead out on this draw heavy board and prevent him taking a free card to hit a draw. There are a bunch of cards that we don't want on the turn (any broadway card and any spade).When you decide to check/raise, why did you essentially minraise? I don't think that achieves much, it gives a good price for lots of hands (spades, TJ) to call and try and outdraw you ($18 more for the villain to with ~$70 in the pot). I can't really think of a good amount to check/raise that will give villain sufficiently bad odds to call and draw and won't leave an awkward amount of money left on the turn. I think this is why I prefer leading out.

Thanks for all the feedback. I agree that a pf reraise is probably in order. I also agree that the min. raise on the turn is a little weak, but it usually gets me the info I want without pot-committing myself. I will re-raise more in these situations in the future.The only way it seems that I get away from this hand is if he 3 bets all-in preflop.

[wheezer16 0]

Villian is a tight-aggressive winning player: Free hand converter brought to you by http://www.cardrunners.comSeat 1: Dodolela06 ($37.90) - Seat 2: whezer16 ($100) - Seat 3: asendorf ($82.40)Seat 4: sipoon_kim ($102.20)Seat 5: jrockhaf ($193.50)Seat 6: tigerley89 ($47.50)Seat 7: GDAZ31 ($30.70)Seat 8: ibiza007 ($98.50)Seat 9: HitmanHaydon ($108.20) - PRE-FLOP:Dodolela06 posts small blind $0.50whezer16 posts BIG blind $1Dealt To: whezer16FOLD asendorfFOLD sipoon_kimFOLD jrockhafCALL tigerley89($1)CALL GDAZ31($1)FOLD ibiza007RAISE HitmanHaydon($6)FOLD Dodolela06CALL whezer16($5)CALL tigerley89($5)FOLD GDAZ31FLOP:Pot: $19.5CHECK whezer16CHECK tigerley89BET HitmanHaydon($16)RAISE whezer16($34)FOLD tigerley89RAISE HitmanHaydon($102.20)whezer16 ?

Thanks for the fix!

[simo_8ball 0]

The only way it seems that I get away from this hand is if he 3 bets all-in preflop.

FWIW, if I 3-bet to $22 I'm pretty much snap calling a shove.

[AimHigher 0]

FWIW, if I 3-bet to $22 I'm pretty much snap calling a shove.

What kind of range is he shoving into your 3-bet with?

[simo_8ball 0]

What kind of range is he shoving into your 3-bet with?

A range that I have >78/203 equity against.

[AimHigher 0]

A range that I have >78/203 equity against.

Now go answer my questions in "bored at work" and I'll try not to hound you for knowledge too much more.

[simo_8ball 0]

Now go answer my questions in "bored at work" and I'll try not to hound you for knowledge too much more.

If villain is a thinking player he should shove AQ and 99 there preflop against me.If he's a nit then it's closer, but a "decent TAG" is never folding AK or QQ there, and I have equity enough to call against that range.

[AimHigher 0]

If villain is a thinking player he should shove AQ and 99 there preflop against me.If he's a nit then it's closer, but a "decent TAG" is never folding AK or QQ there, and I have equity enough to call against that range.

Yeah that makes sense, it's pretty much a break even call but if you throw in jacks it is definitely profitable.

[Dictius 0]

Taken from http://no-limit-holdem.wikidot.com/ No-Limit Hold'em StratCommon MisconceptionsYou have to find out where you're at.Betting or raising for information is overrated. It's very common for the information to be "Betting there was stupid." Focus on the more straight-forward reasons for being aggressive (betting for value, bluffing, and semi-bluffing), which sometimes also yield useful information as a side effect.