bdc30 0 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $50UTG+1: $47Hero: $67.35Button: $64.55SB: $169.05BB: $60.40Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 8 Q J T 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.Flop: Q 8 5 ($5.75, 3 players)SB checks, Hero bets $4.5, Button folds, SB raises to $19.25, Hero calls.Turn: 6 ($44.25, 2 players)SB bets $44.25, Hero????Villain is a 70/23/3 - has a nice stack obv that I'd like a piece of, but is this the time to take a stand? Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Most of the draws missed. I think it's an autocall. Link to post Share on other sites
Shark527 0 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 I would let it go. That is a serious show of strength. I don't know what you would really be beating. That turn card didn't seem to scare him much. Link to post Share on other sites
Shark527 0 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Why an autocall? How often is this a set/straight here or a worse two pair? Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Meh, I'm rusty, but a 70/23/3 guy is by definition super aggro. An AF of 3 with those preflop stats is very big and suggests he plays a wide range of hands fast on the flop.When he checkraises pot on the flop, I think he's going to open shove pretty much any turn, and I think he is shoving 100% of his range on this particular turn. Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Yeah, I'm folding here. I mean we can hope has has a lower two pair. But I'm thinking he has a set here with that much strength. Villain checks hoping you bet, raises from there, and then firing that much into the pot on the turn, he wants to get hearts out of there. Make a stand with at a different time Link to post Share on other sites
Snake Plissken 0 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Well, I think he's got a set. So we're drawing to a straight or boat. Do the math and you'll see it's not a profitable call. But wtf do I know, I'm a losing player in omaha. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted March 14, 2008 Author Share Posted March 14, 2008 Simo8ball FTW!Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $50UTG+1: $47Hero: $67.35Button: $64.55SB: $169.05BB: $60.40Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 8 Q J T 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.Flop: Q 8 5 ($5.75, 3 players)SB checks, Hero bets $4.5, Button folds, SB raises to $19.25, Hero calls.Turn: 6 ($44.25, 2 players)SB bets $44.25, Hero raises all-in $46.35, SB calls.River: 2 ($136.95, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $136.95)Results:Final pot: $136.95SB showed Kc Ah 3d ThHero showed 8c Qs Jh Tc Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Well played simo . And I must say, nice call...I don't think I could Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted March 14, 2008 Author Share Posted March 14, 2008 That's where PTO/Pahud etc comes in handy (for the doubters - that pot just paid for both....).Like simo said, against a 70/30/3 type, I thought this was a pretty standard call. He shouldn't have QQ or 88 since I have one of each. Imo, 95% of the time he has either hearts or some middle straight draw (99TJ, etc) here. The 6d was a pretty good turn card for me. Against a 25/10/1.7 this would be a whole other decision on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
KoRnholio 2 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Granted I saw the results, but if we call against this guy on the flop it's because we think our hand is probably good. That offsuit 6 on the turn is pretty much a blank, so we can't fold when he continues with an all in turn bet. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Looks like the blind squirrel found a nut. Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Why do we flat call flop? Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted March 14, 2008 Author Share Posted March 14, 2008 Cuz if a heart comes on the tooorn i'm insta-mucking. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Why do we flat call flop?If he is shoving any turn with any hand (fairly likely imo) then flat calling flop and calling any turn is pretty much the same in equity as shoving flop.By calling we can sometimes fold if a heart comes. We just get a little more information before stacking off.I probably still shove the flop though. Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 If he is drawing to a heart , pushing flop and making him pay > waiting for a heart and folding IMO.I don't think it makes a huge difference either. Calling is maybe good for getting away cheap if he has a set and a scare card for him drops on turn. Link to post Share on other sites
Shark527 0 Posted March 16, 2008 Share Posted March 16, 2008 Looks like the blind squirrel found a nut.Toooo-shay' sir. NH - thats why I still play $10 PLO. Link to post Share on other sites
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