ActionFalko 0 Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 VILLAIN (edited) is wild and aggressive postflop. But raising from early position means sth, even for him.Absolute PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.506 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $28.39UTG+1: $113.88Hero: $55.75Button: $102.65SB: $27.20BB: $70.70Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with :D UTG calls, UTG+1 raises to $2.5, Hero calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG folds.Flop: :D ($8.25, 3 players)BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $5, BB folds, UTG+1 raises to $16, Hero ? (Probably should have reraised preflop, right?)Results:Final pot: $18.25 Link to post Share on other sites
Danny Dingleberry 0 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 what could you possibly beat? any pair of tens, 6s, or 3s. he's probably got you beat. Unless he's over playing TPTK? or bluffing on an uncoordinated board. but i would probably fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 It's a pretty tough spot but I think a fold is in order. What does he C/R with here on such a dry board? I doubt anyone would do this with a single hand you beat, EXCEPT maybe AT, but ATo isn't in everyone's UTG+1 range. Either way, that's really the only hand in his range that you beat so his range is crushing you. I fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingman008 0 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Fold.And yes, I think a raise pf would be in order. We have a decently strong starting hand, and with a UTG raiser, I think we need to define his range early. Link to post Share on other sites
StPong 0 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 I agree with the fold.However, if you've been playing aggressively post-flop as you say then he may think you're betting with nothing because of the board. I think this is an overplayed pair more often than a set; and a set a little more often than a bluff. Link to post Share on other sites
ActionFalko 0 Posted October 3, 2007 Author Share Posted October 3, 2007 I agree with the fold.However, if you've been playing aggressively post-flop as you say then he may think you're betting with nothing because of the board. I think this is an overplayed pair more often than a set; and a set a little more often than a bluff.SORRY I MEANT VILLAIN IS WILD AGGRESSIVE Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 wild aggressives do this with air often. Check cause you missed expecting late position caller to take a stab and then C/R trying to plant it into their head that you can't do this with anything less than KK. What does "means sth" mean? ie his preflop raise range is large? Yes, you beat a bluff, but you're up against a guy who bluffs a lot. Call flop, call turn. Link to post Share on other sites
ActionFalko 0 Posted October 3, 2007 Author Share Posted October 3, 2007 What does "means sth" mean? ie his preflop raise range is large?The problem is I don't know. Always when he was on the Button he raised and folded to reraises. So I think he has a very wide range for preflopraising anyway. But he never raised so far from one of the early positions. So I gave him credit for a at least reasonable hand.Postflop so far was: Villain bets - I call; Turn: villain bets - I fold. So I have never seen his hands at showdown. Link to post Share on other sites
AimHigher 0 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 I don't understand why he would check to you. What reason does he have to think you would take the lead after that flop? Given his tendencies I can't help but wonder if he is making a move at the pot with a hand like AK, his re-raise is awfully big. Also, what hand could he be putting you on that would call a check raise that big?Did you typically take the lead when checked to in position?In any case, I think a fold is the correct play. I can't help but be suspicious though, I would love to know what you have seen him check raise with in the past. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 The problem is I don't know. Always when he was on the Button he raised and folded to reraises. So I think he has a very wide range for preflopraising anyway. But he never raised so far from one of the early positions. So I gave him credit for a at least reasonable hand.Postflop so far was: Villain bets - I call; Turn: villain bets - I fold. So I have never seen his hands at showdown.It's clearly a change up hand. I'm not sure if I'm biased because I will not c-bet every flop if I'm raising a lot preflop just so that I don't fall into too much of a predictable pattern. And often heads up, I'm going to C/R if I think he's just trying to pick up the pot. AA-JJ should be looking to get paid off considering he's been so aggressive.When I'm raising "too much" i'm playing my big hands fast because sooner or later some one is going to play back at me with something less. So for my big hands, I usually don't take my foot off the gas, and I just don't see him doing it here if he fits the description you gave. I think he's running a bluff here a lot more than not. Link to post Share on other sites
ActionFalko 0 Posted October 3, 2007 Author Share Posted October 3, 2007 I think he's running a bluff here a lot more than not.And damn you are right. I folded and he showed A4o. Good read Scott Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 I'm a genius!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Temporary Nuts 1 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 I'm a conceited aggro donk!FYP Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 FYPYeah, i didn't really know much about him until this wsop, but what a huge horse's ass. If i were at the table on the hand he got busted, i don't think i could stop from laughing at the sick call he made when he beat absolutely nothing. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Yeah, i didn't really know much about him until this wsop, but what a huge horse's ass. If i were at the table on the hand he got busted, i don't think i could stop from laughing at the sick call he made when he beat absolutely nothing.Who? What did I miss? Are you talking about Rain Kahn? Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 Who? What did I miss? Are you talking about Rain Kahn?Tran. I'd hate to be at Kahn's table, but I'll admit that I enjoy watching him on TV. Tran is just an ******* Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted October 4, 2007 Share Posted October 4, 2007 And damn you are right. I folded and he showed A4o. Good read ScottWell played. You got good information to use against him later. I'm still folding here though with the info given. Link to post Share on other sites
ActionFalko 0 Posted October 4, 2007 Author Share Posted October 4, 2007 Well played. You got good information to use against him later.No, I left the table. I was afraid of him But yeah I would fold this always again giving the action. But maybe I just should have bet more, maybe like $10. That could have slowed him down. Thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
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