1/2 Nlhe (6 Max) Big Draw On Turn Vs A Fish

[Merby 3]

I turn a double gutter straight draw and a flush draw. The board is paired, but I'm playing against a bona fide fish:His PT stats: 57/15 through 108 handsMy notes on him:

BEWARE RAISES: I've only seen him raise hands like KK pre-flop and flopped 2 pair post flopCalled a UTG raise (to $6) with 47(s) from SB then called a reraise to $24 from BB (UTG called too). He had $65 at the start of the hand!! ($24 > 33% of his stack)Called 2/3 pot bet for gutshot draw on flop

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)MP ($191)Button ($215.10)SB ($209.05)Hero ($445.75)UTG ($346.95)Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, T. UTG raises to $8, 2 folds, SB calls $7, Hero calls $6.Flop: ($24) 7, 4, 4(3 players)SB checks, Hero bets $14, UTG folds, SB calls $14.Turn: ($52) 6(2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $32, SB raises to $64, Hero...?On the turn, I was half and half between betting my million outs or just peeling the free card. Do you like the bet? Regardless, what's my action versus a fish min-checkraising here?

[Kid DynOmite 0]

i hate the bet mainly because you call him a fish. Was this really the best way you could think of to stack someone who's game you deem to be so bad? The thing that makes your "fish" a fish is that he'll give you his chips at minimal risk to your own stack. Now, he's put you to a very difficult decision. I don't see you folding this hand, and i forgot how much money you have in front of you. Depending on that you either need to go with it and completely pay him off, or you can just call and pray to hit the riv.EDIT:yeah, he could easily have 5-8 or a boat based on what you've written before. the odds that he is pulling your chain though, and the quality of your draw are too high to just give it up. I call here and pray to completely my hand, and then act accordingly on the river.

[Lavitz 0]

I would just peel a cheap card. He is a fish who is interested in the pot which means we have no fold equity if we push our draw. However, if we hit one of our outs he is almost always paying us off for at least a pot bet on the river and if we miss we can get away clean. I'm a bit worried about the board being paired because he really is playing his hand quite strongly and a boat is in his range.

[Kid DynOmite 0]

I would just peel a cheap card. He is a fish who is interested in the pot which means we have no fold equity if we push our draw. However, if we hit one of our outs he is almost always paying us off for at least a pot bet on the river and if we miss we can get away clean. I'm a bit worried about the board being paired because he really is playing his hand quite strongly and a boat is in his range.

I like the way you think, sir.

[sabes99 0]

i'm not really liking the flop bet, can you really expect to win the pot on the flop against someone like the fish in the hand? i go for a free card here, and call any reasonable betsame for the turn...even after leading the flop, there's little point in betting the turn against someone who will call downi play this hand more passively and try to get some free ones off there, but as played you have to take a card off

[David_Nicoson 1]

I'm going with the majority and say check behind on the turn. We're not a favorite against a pair, so we can't really bet for value. It makes sense if we're setting up a river steal, but we don't need to trick a fish. He doesn't naturally make the mistake of folding too much.I think we call the check raise and see what happens.

[Snamuh 0]

Check behind on the turn and call this min bet. The turn bet doesn't accomplish anything versus a fish as you are likely betting with the worse hand and are very likely to be called. I hate drawing on paired boards btw.

[DonkSlayer 1]

Betting against fish is about getting max value for your best hand. You don't have it.I check behind on the turn and, frankly, probably dump it to this raise. I think, given that our guy is a fish, that some of our drawing outs could be held by him or just dead.

[boliRC 0]

I also like checking the turn.Simply because he has to make a bet on the river with any hand, and then (if you hit), you can make a nice value raise. You lose nothing by checking the turn.

[Merby 3]

Yeah, I actually instantly regretted the turn bet the second I made it. This was during a period of time where I was experimenting with multitabling (normally I play only one --maybe two-- tables). I made the turn bet before I realized that it was the fish in the hand with me. I *should* have taken the free card.In any case, I called the minraise, with the sinking feeling that I may already be drawing dead. Here's the full hand as it played out.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)MP ($191)Button ($215.10)SB ($209.05)Hero ($445.75)UTG ($346.95)Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, T. UTG raises to $8, 2 folds, SB calls $7, Hero calls $6.Flop: ($24) 7, 4, 4(3 players)SB checks, Hero bets $14, UTG folds, SB calls $14.Turn: ($52) 6(2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $32, SB raises to $64, Hero calls $32.River: ($180) 3(2 players)SB bets $50, Hero calls $50.Final Pot: $280Results below: SB has 7d 7c (full house, sevens full of fours). Hero has 8s Ts (flush, ten high). Outcome: SB wins $280. End result: the hero (me) ended up being the donkey in the hand... Shortly after this hand, I closed down my other tables so that I wouldn't overlook my own notes on my opponents.