1/2 (6 Max) Pstars Pre-flop Decision

[Merby 3]

Normally this is an easy fold, but the villian is on tilt.Villian is 40/0 through 20 hands. Only a 20 hand sample, but he has played a lot of flops, where he likes to take control of the hand away from pre-flop raisers with moderate holdings (tries to catch continuation bets). I have called him down on a previous hand and taken it off him with top pair (he had a gutshot draw and caught a low pair on the river). He also spewed the other half of his buyin into another pre-flop raiser when he tried to bluff the flop and turn.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)UTG ($214.65)MP ($285)Hero ($375.95)Button ($76.65)SB ($178.95)BB ($269.40)Preflop: Hero is CO with A, Q. 2 folds, Hero raises to $6, Button raises to $20, 2 folds, Hero?Push, call or fold?

[Snamuh 0]

AQo is a pretty marginal holding facing a reraise OOP. I let it go. Even if villain is tilting, it's a tough hand to play postflop.

[TB17 0]

If there was ever a time to 4-bet fold, this might be it.I probably still fold tho

[sixhands 0]

EDIT: I am a moron who didn't read the thread properly.Raise to $80

[Merby 3]

If there was ever a time to 4-bet fold, this might be it.I probably still fold tho

Exactly my dilemma... Also tempting since he's only sitting on $80 and likely to stack off light.

[simo_8ball 0]

If you think he's really tilting, minraise and call a shove.

[sabes99 0]

for as many of his chips as he put in, it's raise or fold...since he's tilting, i say push

[NoBBiR 0]

If you think he's really tilting, minraise and call a shove.

I dislike that because I'd be more incline to try to take down the pot now. If you minraise him, he's def. shoving because it will just aggrovate him. Most likely he has a bad middle pair or something of that nature, possibly AJ-AK. If were going to flip anyway, you might as well give him the chance to wake up from his tilt daze and set him in. If he folds, great you win an easy 20 spot. If not, you're probably racing for 75. I prefer trying to win 20 preflop with the same risk as minraise/call shove, then win a race after aggrovating him into moving all in. Though, to do either, you have to be certain he is tilting and is a donk, because otherwise you'll run into AK here a lot.

[whiterice714 0]

I dislike that because I'd be more incline to try to take down the pot now. If you minraise him, he's def. shoving because it will just aggrovate him. Most likely he has a bad middle pair or something of that nature, possibly AJ-AK. If were going to flip anyway, you might as well give him the chance to wake up from his tilt daze and set him in. If he folds, great you win an easy 20 spot. If not, you're probably racing for 75. I prefer trying to win 20 preflop with the same risk as minraise/call shove, then win a race after aggrovating him into moving all in. Though, to do either, you have to be certain he is tilting and is a donk, because otherwise you'll run into AK here a lot.

i like this line of reasoning if i'm continuing on w/ this hand...i do despise getting it all in PF though, seeing flops & playing from there is so much better / more interesting / more FUN... maybe there's just too much X factor involved in the PF all in for me...^---- EDIT--- not related to this hand at all... statement of my personal opinion regarding PF play

[rdtedm 0]

I'd dump it, but I hate AQ obv.

[Merby 3]

I like the discussion so far, but I will post my action because it doesn't affect the discussion.I decided that the villian would remain on tilt for a while. Since I knew that the villian was willing to commit his entire stack to this hand and I was even a slight dog to a pair of deuces, I decided to wait for a better spot and folded. Ace-queen is, after all, a "drawing hand" if he pairs up (or better) I am looking to improve. I was confident that *assuming* he would be at the table for a while, there would be better spots where I could get my money in against him as a bigger favourite.The key point that pushed the decision over to the fold side (for me) was that tilt or not, this was the *first* time I had seen the villian raise pre-flop (let alone *reraise*). He was, after all 40/0 through twenty hands, and may have an actual hand. I decided to wait for a better spot.Result: hero folds

[whiterice714 0]

at the risk of subjecting myself to ridicule...what's the 40/5/2.5 (& all like stats) mean?does this mean he's playing 40% of hands, raising 5%, & shows down 2.5% of them?again.. i'm stilla noob to online poker forum chat lingo... also, how do you keep track of such stats (i can see that it's probably 100x easier online than live) mental notes?

[Merby 3]

at the risk of subjecting myself to ridicule...what's the 40/5/2.5 (& all like stats) mean?does this mean he's playing 40% of hands, raising 5%, & shows down 2.5% of them?again.. i'm stilla noob to online poker forum chat lingo... also, how do you keep track of such stats (i can see that it's probably 100x easier online than live) mental notes?

No ridicule in the strat forums. It's pokertracker stats and you're almost bang on.40: He voluntarily puts money into the pot preflop 40% of the time (so this doesn't include the situation where he's in the BB and it's unraised preflop)5: He raises 5% of his hands preflop2.5: His postflop aggression factor is 2.5 (this number is calculated by taking all the situations where he chooses to bet or raise and divide it by all the situations where he chooses to call a bet. So he is betting or raising two and a half times as often as he calls somebody else's bet)Aggression factor (AF) is often confusing to get a feel for, but the basic bottom line is:AF < 1: The player is a passive player (picture a calling station or a weak/tight player)1< AF <2: The player is an average player2 < AF: Any AF larger than 2 indicates an aggressive player (always betting or raising)So in this case, my opponent tended to be more aggressive than average (but not excessively)

[fckthis 0]

well seems like at best you're goin to be flipping for 80~, so thats your decision, but I might lean towards folding, unless im running hotter than the sun.