SGFULTON83 0 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Villian had seemed pretty decent player, not overly tight or loose. The whole table seemed this way which is why we were still 5-handed at this level.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, Tournament, 100/200 Blinds 25 Ante (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP (t4135)Button (t1685)Hero (SB) (t2400)BB (t3000)UTG (t2280)Hero's M: 5.65Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, 91 fold, MP raises to t600, 1 fold, Hero ??? Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Unless he's a very tight raiser, I think this is an easy resteal.1) He's the bigstack and should be stealing a decent amount at this stage2) You still have a decent amount of fold equity - a push would be 1800 more to him, which would be a pretty big blow to his stack if he loses (and only giving him about 1.5:1 odds)3) The 1000+ chips now in the pot would increase your stack by almost 50%4) Your hand stacks up well against a reasonable raising range Link to post Share on other sites
outsider13 0 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Unless he's a very tight raiser, I think this is an easy resteal.1) He's the bigstack and should be stealing a decent amount at this stage2) You still have a decent amount of fold equity - a push would be 1800 more to him, which would be a pretty big blow to his stack if he loses (and only giving him about 1.5:1 odds)3) The 1000+ chips now in the pot would increase your stack by almost 50%4) Your hand stacks up well against a reasonable raising rangeI agree. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 I agree.Not trying to be a dck but I wouldn't consider this a "resteal" because I think we're ahead of villain's range. I only fold this to a rock that has about the same stack I do. Link to post Share on other sites
Chet Chetterson 0 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Would a stop and go work here as well? Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Not trying to be a dck but I wouldn't consider this a "resteal" because I think we're ahead of villain's range. I only fold this to a rock that has about the same stack I do.Dick. Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Would a stop and go work here as well?A bit risky because BB is still to act. If Hero flat calls, he runs the risk that BB comes along for the ride. If Hero were closing the action then a stop-n-go might be a reasonable option. However, for the stop-n-go to be my preferred choice I would want to know the following about villain:1) That he's raising wide enough to include AK/AQ/QJ/KQ type hands but tight enough that he's not purely stealing2) That he's shown a tendency to fold missed hands on the flop and not call big bets/pushes with overcardsOtherwise you're better off just pushing PF.I've done a lot of thinking/reading about the stop-n-go in the past and I've come to the conclusion that in 98% of situations it's really six-of-one, half-dozen of the other. Link to post Share on other sites
SlackerInc 0 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 I only fold this to a rock that has about the same stack I do.QFT. Before I got Tournament Indicator I would have autoshoved here every time. Now I'd fold to someone who is like 10% VP$IP but still shove against anyone else. Link to post Share on other sites
Gallo 1 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QFT. Before I got Tournament Indicator I would have autoshoved here every time. Now I'd fold to someone who is like 10% VP$IP but still shove against anyone else.With the blinds at this stage and with our stack, I don't think I could ever fold here. Link to post Share on other sites
SlackerInc 0 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 With the blinds at this stage and with our stack, I don't think I could ever fold here.With the type of rocks I'm talking about, it's eerie how often they have AA or KK. Occasionally AKs or QQ. Link to post Share on other sites
Gallo 1 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 With the type of rocks I'm talking about, it's eerie how often they have AA or KK. Occasionally AKs or QQ.I totally get what you're saying, but given our stack and stage of this SNG I don't think we're going to get a chance for better spots. Even the rockiest of rocks will not always have a big pair. Link to post Share on other sites
SlackerInc 0 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I totally get what you're saying, but given our stack and stage of this SNG I don't think we're going to get a chance for better spots. Even the rockiest of rocks will not always have a big pair.They fold preflop when they don't, although there is the hope of AK. It's almost though like against a rock you should treat the decision as though you have 55 instead of 99. They will either have AK or have a pair bigger than 99, so your odds are the same with 99 as they would be with 55. Link to post Share on other sites
MovingIn 0 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I totally get what you're saying, but given our stack and stage of this SNG I don't think we're going to get a chance for better spots. Even the rockiest of rocks will not always have a big pair.I think it's a very small iron-lock-read-related case Slack's talking about, against total rocks who wouldn't play anything outside of the prime pairs. He probably pushes this almost every time. Link to post Share on other sites
SlackerInc 0 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 I think it's a very small iron-lock-read-related case Slack's talking about, against total rocks who wouldn't play anything outside of the prime pairs. He probably pushes this almost every time.Exactly. Identifying rocks has been very profitable to me: stealing their blinds and staying the hell out of the way any time they raise preflop (unless it is maybe low blinds and I think I can trap with 97s or something, lol). But they are only like ten percent of the population, maybe a little less (less still on turbos, I'd imagine...?). Multitablers might account for some of it, I don't know. Link to post Share on other sites
SlackerInc 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 When I came across this hand last night, I knew it would be a great example to illustrate the kinds of rocks I can identify with the Tournament Indicator software and stay away from. The villain who shoved was a bit of a lagtard, so it wasn't his shove that concerned me but rather lefteye's smallish preflop reraise (in 28 hands, he never once raised preflop before this hand).Hmmm...when I try to post the converted output it says "sorry, but you have posted more images than you are allowed to". WTF? Oh well, I will just post the unconverted HH, sorry:PokerStars Game #23686713224: Tournament #131675652, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2009/01/08 6:01:18 ETTable '131675652 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: geitjuh (10844 in chips) Seat 2: lefteye369 (2440 in chips) Seat 3: laurent3414 (3600 in chips) Seat 4: Wicca66 (3025 in chips) Seat 5: malemodel21 (3281 in chips) Seat 6: Boba71 (10978 in chips) Seat 7: SlackerInc1 (5711 in chips) Seat 8: harryhasham (2456 in chips) Seat 9: slidejob11 (3860 in chips) lefteye369: posts small blind 50laurent3414: posts big blind 100*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to SlackerInc1 [Th Td]Wicca66: folds malemodel21: folds Boba71: folds SlackerInc1: raises 200 to 300harryhasham has timed outharryhasham: folds harryhasham is sitting outslidejob11: folds geitjuh: calls 300lefteye369: raises 400 to 700laurent3414: raises 2900 to 3600 and is all-inSlackerInc1: folds geitjuh: calls 3300lefteye369: calls 1740 and is all-in*** FLOP *** [2c Ts Ad]*** TURN *** [2c Ts Ad] [Js]*** RIVER *** [2c Ts Ad Js] [6s]*** SHOW DOWN ***laurent3414: shows [5d 5h] (a pair of Fives)geitjuh: shows [As Qd] (a pair of Aces)geitjuh collected 2320 from side potlefteye369: shows [Ks Kd] (a pair of Kings)geitjuh collected 7620 from main potlaurent3414 re-buys and receives 3000 chips for $10.00lefteye369 has timed out while disconnectedlefteye369 is sitting out*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 9940 Main pot 7620. Side pot 2320. | Rake 0 Board [2c Ts Ad Js 6s]Seat 1: geitjuh (button) showed [As Qd] and won (9940) with a pair of AcesSeat 2: lefteye369 (small blind) showed [Ks Kd] and lost with a pair of KingsSeat 3: laurent3414 (big blind) showed [5d 5h] and lost with a pair of FivesSeat 4: Wicca66 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: malemodel21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: Boba71 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: SlackerInc1 folded before FlopSeat 8: harryhasham folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: slidejob11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)ETA: I would have won a huge pot with my set of tens, of course; but I think it was still a good read on villain that he had the overpair. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Dick. lol Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Exactly. Identifying rocks has been very profitable to me: stealing their blinds and staying the hell out of the way any time they raise preflop (unless it is maybe low blinds and I think I can trap with 97s or something, lol). But they are only like ten percent of the population, maybe a little less (less still on turbos, I'd imagine...?). Multitablers might account for some of it, I don't know.Do you play more turbos or regs?4-tabling turbos makes baby jesus smile Link to post Share on other sites
SlackerInc 0 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Do you play more turbos or regs?4-tabling turbos makes baby jesus smile LOLI play much more regs--I am not fond of turbo structures. Although today I played three 18-player turbos because I didn't have time to play my usual 27s while waiting to go play a live tourney (I'm gonna start a thread about that in a minute), and I came in second and third in the two I cashed in, almost tripled up my investment overall. So I might try a few more of them and see how it goes. Link to post Share on other sites
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