LycoPoker54 0 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I was debating just a call, but i tried to get fancy and min raise him. i was hoping he would put me on a bluff, and go over the top. should i have just called, and hope he bets into me on the turn? or do you guys like a bigger re-raise?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)BB ($52.75)UTG ($21.40)UTG+1 ($27.90)MP1 ($50)MP2 ($49.65)MP3 ($11.20)Hero ($50)Button ($61.55)SB ($56.40)Preflop: Hero is CO with 4, 4. Hero posts a blind of $0.50. 2 folds, MP1 raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero (poster) calls $1.50, 3 folds.Flop: ($4.75) 3, 4, 6(2 players)MP1 checks, Hero bets $2, MP1 raises to $7, Hero raises to $12, MP1 folds.Final Pot: $18.75 Link to post Share on other sites
KoRnholio 2 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 With position on him call and raise the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I love it when people fold to min re-raisesErm, i know a lot of people don't like min anything on here but i don't see whats that wrong with it tbh, gets more money in the pot while making it hard for your opponent to fold(and also pissing him off because everyone hates min raises). Link to post Share on other sites
AimHigher 0 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I was debating just a call, but i tried to get fancy and min raise him. i was hoping he would put me on a bluff, and go over the top. should i have just called, and hope he bets into me on the turn? or do you guys like a bigger re-raise?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)BB ($52.75)UTG ($21.40)UTG+1 ($27.90)MP1 ($50)MP2 ($49.65)MP3 ($11.20)Hero ($50)Button ($61.55)SB ($56.40)Preflop: Hero is CO with 4, 4. Hero posts a blind of $0.50. 2 folds, MP1 raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero (poster) calls $1.50, 3 folds.Flop: ($4.75) 3, 4, 6(2 players)MP1 checks, Hero bets $2, MP1 raises to $7, Hero raises to $12, MP1 folds.Final Pot: $18.75You can't get action where there isn't any.However, you should bet more like $4 on the flop. That is a pretty drawy board.It seems to me like he raised it up with a hand like AK, missed and decided to try a check raise, then insta-mucked when you played back at him. Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 You can't get action where there isn't any.However, you should bet more like $4 on the flop. That is a pretty drawy board.It seems to me like he raised it up with a hand like AK, missed and decided to try a check raise, then insta-mucked when you played back at him.It is a draw heavy board but not against a pf raisers range. Only worry is clubs. I prefer the $2 bet over a check or $4 bet. When he raises I don't hesitate to call behind and lead most cards and check if board pairs. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 You can't get action where there isn't any.However, you should bet more like $4 on the flop. That is a pretty drawy board.It seems to me like he raised it up with a hand like AK, missed and decided to try a check raise, then insta-mucked when you played back at him.Well, there was action. Villain actually RAISED our bet. I think a smooth call on the flop gets us more in the long run. I realize there are draws there, but we have redraws.But with this particular PF action, I'm not folding this unless 4 to a flush hits the river on an unpaired board. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I like and hate this play for different reasons.1. It looks like you figured you had the best hand and you intentionally made a bet that you thought he'd raise so that you could reraise him. That's good higher level poker.2. Your reraise is horrible becuase if he shoves, you really should be folding and you've cost yourself a shot to make the best hand. Also, make a raise that he will fold to more often.Overall this is ok. When he raises to $7, I think you should raise him back to about $20ish and then you can call a shove and it's a normal raise interval. I just don't like the min reraise here unless you knew that it was likely that he'd fold to it. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I like and hate this play for different reasons.1. It looks like you figured you had the best hand and you intentionally made a bet that you thought he'd raise so that you could reraise him. That's good higher level poker.2. Your reraise is horrible becuase if he shoves, you really should be folding and you've cost yourself a shot to make the best hand. Also, make a raise that he will fold to more often.I'm never folding this. Did you misread the board? The hero has middle set. The PFR has an overpair a lot more than a straight. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I'm never folding this. Did you misread the board? The hero has middle set. The PFR has an overpair a lot more than a straight.I did misread the board. I thought the hero had the small pair+OESD.Ok, I still like the inducement bet, but now raise to something like $17 or $18, not a minraise please. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I'm never folding this. Did you misread the board? The hero has middle set. The PFR has an overpair a lot more than a straight.Yah. Like ... let's get it in Mr. Villain. Link to post Share on other sites
LycoPoker54 0 Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 thanks for the input guys. yea, im definitely never folding. i guess the min raise was ill advised. so we all agree a raise to roughly $20 is the correct play on the flop? Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 I think most of us want to call the flop raise. I think call the flop raise, raise if he lead the turn unless the board pairs. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 I like to keep going hard at this flop because I don't want a scary turn card to kill my action. Link to post Share on other sites
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