Nitting It Up At .05-.10

[jmbreslin 0]

Arggg! Anything I could have done differently?Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comHero (SB) ($9.35)BB ($1.15)UTG ($10.45)UTG+1 ($9.50)MP1 ($10.70)MP2 ($4.65)MP3 ($3.70)CO ($0.75)Button ($4.80)Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A, Q, 31 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.10, 1 fold, Button calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.05, BB checksFlop: ($0.50) 4, 8, 2(5 players)Hero bets $0.50, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 2 foldsTurn: ($1.50) 3(2 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $1.50, Hero foldsTotal pot: $1.50 | Rake: $0.15

[Cappy37 0]

^^^^^Not folded turn, for one. Not checked turn... for two...check-folding turn cards that don't blow up your skirt will cost you tons of money in the long run. Yeah, it only takes 2 cards to scoop there, but it's not overly likely he called a pot sized bet on the flop with 'em.

[antistuff 0]

i would be happy to see a 3 there and bet the pot.

[jmbreslin 0]

I'm confused, the 3 just counterfeited my low so my hand is now just a nut flush draw for half. Remember, this is micro stakes - I would not be at all surprised to see a player call that flop with A5xx. There's a big difference between cards "that don't blow up my skirt" and cards that significantly devalue my hand. And any hand he's calling that flop with he's not going to be folding the turn. Are you guys advocating leading the turn or check-calling?

[antistuff 0]

I'm confused, the 3 just counterfeited my low so my hand is now just a nut flush draw for half. Remember, this is micro stakes - I would not be at all surprised to see a player call that flop with A5xx. There's a big difference between cards "that don't blow up my skirt" and cards that significantly devalue my hand. And any hand he's calling that flop with he's not going to be folding the turn. Are you guys advocating leading the turn or check-calling?

lead. if you are going to check you have to fold.

[jmbreslin 0]

Please explain why I should be happy and willing to lead when the 3 falls.

[jmbreslin 0]

A little update on my quest:I may have to face the reality that I ****ing suck at this game. I just can't get a feel for it. The players at this level of play are so loose and unpredictable that I just never know where I stand. I can't seem to hit the cards I need so I'm constantly stuck in these marginal spots where I feel completely lost. This move over to FT has been a frickin' disaster.

[jmbreslin 0]

#$#$%%%&^!!!! I've had it with these idiots. Why do they get rewarded for playing so terribly? Who limp-calls a raise with such garbage?!?!?!Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP2 ($10.55)MP3 ($2.10)CO ($6.95)Hero (Button) ($3.25)SB ($4.05)BB ($2)UTG ($5.05)UTG+1 ($2.05)Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, K, A, A2 folds, MP2 calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20Flop: ($0.95) J, 8, 8(3 players)BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.95, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.95Turn: ($2.85) K(2 players)MP2 checks, Hero checksRiver: ($2.85) 2(2 players)MP2 bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10MP2 shows [8h 5c 5h 6h] three of a kind, Eights, for highHero mucks handMP2 wins the pot ($2.75) with three of a kind, EightsNo low hand qualifiedTotal pot: $3.05 | Rake: $0.30

[antistuff 0]

Please explain why I should be happy and willing to lead when the 3 falls.

because that cards looks just as bad to your opponent as it does to you. he will fold well over 50% of the time.

[antistuff 0]

#$#$%%%&^!!!! I've had it with these idiots. Why do they get rewarded for playing so terribly? Who limp-calls a raise with such garbage?!?!?!Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP2 ($10.55)MP3 ($2.10)CO ($6.95)Hero (Button) ($3.25)SB ($4.05)BB ($2)UTG ($5.05)UTG+1 ($2.05)Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, K, A, A2 folds, MP2 calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20Flop: ($0.95) J, 8, 8(3 players)BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.95, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.95Turn: ($2.85) K(2 players)MP2 checks, Hero checksRiver: ($2.85) 2(2 players)MP2 bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10MP2 shows [8h 5c 5h 6h] three of a kind, Eights, for highHero mucks handMP2 wins the pot ($2.75) with three of a kind, EightsNo low hand qualifiedTotal pot: $3.05 | Rake: $0.30

you played this hand perfectly. he even made a huge mistake, he should have bet more on the river. when you have the trip 8s you will valuetown his aces and come out ahead.

[jmbreslin 0]

I may switch over to 6-max and see if that's any better. I have a hard time seeing how this game can be profitable when you have 8 opponents, many of whom play literally 50% of the hands they're dealt, and most of the hand value comes postflop. At least in 6-max you can play a more effective positionally-aggressive game and don't have to worry about as many garbage hands hitting big flops and drawing out on you.

[rvrchsrhtr 0]

I may switch over to 6-max and see if that's any better. I have a hard time seeing how this game can be profitable when you have 8 opponents, many of whom play literally 50% of the hands they're dealt, and most of the hand value comes postflop. At least in 6-max you can play a more effective positionally-aggressive game and don't have to worry about as many garbage hands hitting big flops and drawing out on you.

6max is much more aggresive and if you show a willingness to gamble early you can really nit it up and get paid of for the rest of the session IMO

[Cappy37 0]

Please explain why I should be happy and willing to lead when the 3 falls.

because that cards looks just as bad to your opponent as it does to you. he will fold well over 50% of the time.

yes, but the far snarkier and quicker answer is "Because he can't see your cards, duh!"

[Cappy37 0]

I may switch over to 6-max and see if that's any better. I have a hard time seeing how this game can be profitable when you have 8 opponents, many of whom play literally 50% of the hands they're dealt, and most of the hand value comes postflop. At least in 6-max you can play a more effective positionally-aggressive game and don't have to worry about as many garbage hands hitting big flops and drawing out on you.

For your first couple 6max sessions, put tape over your hole cards. If only to drive home the fact the game is now no longer even remotely related to what cards you actually have in your hand. ;)Seriously though, start listening to that crazy voice in the back of your head that says "f*ck it, I'm betting/raising this". It's fun.

[antistuff 0]

from your posts i do not think 6 max is for you.

[jmbreslin 0]

O8 might not be for me but I'm not ready to give up yet.What do you think of this one?Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comButton ($1.55)SB ($1.95)Hero (BB) ($7.65)UTG ($9.90)MP ($13.45)Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 7, A, A1 fold, MP calls $0.10, Button raises to $0.20, SB raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.70, 1 fold, Button calls $0.60Flop: ($2.50) 2, 6, J(3 players)SB bets $1.15 (All-In), Hero calls $1.15, Button calls $0.75 (All-In)Turn: ($5.55) 7(3 players, 2 all-in)River: ($5.55) 10(3 players, 2 all-in)Total pot: $5.55 | Rake: $0.55

[antistuff 0]

even though it makes no difference to the amount the button has to call you should still raise and scare him away. most players won't realize it makes no difference.

[Cappy37 0]

Anti, considering the stack sizes of the two villains in this hand, what do you think about just putting them all in PF? Since he's pot committed to playing post flop no matter what comes, isn't it a huge negative freeroll to let both villains pop in almost half their stack and potentially bail for the rest if the flop isn't coming out their way? Or do you think the ability to push them out after the flop is attractive as well? I can't imagine either villain folding unless they have a complete whiff, which strengthens the PF 3bet argument.I don't play a ton of pot limit, so I'm curious on your guys's thoughts on this.

[rvrchsrhtr 0]

I'm don't play much PL/NL anymore, but I would def reraise preflop here and try to get it heads up. As played yeah there is no way you r folding (shrug)

[jmbreslin 0]

I'm not crazy about the idea of getting it in PF because I still need a favorable flop myself. Clearly the chances of hitting a set of Aces are reduced based on the PF action, so I'm looking for spades or hearts with low potential. I'd rather see a flop and give myself a chance to escape if I miss.

[rvrchsrhtr 0]

I'm not crazy about the idea of getting it in PF because I still need a favorable flop myself. Clearly the chances of hitting a set of Aces are reduced based on the PF action, so I'm looking for spades or hearts with low potential. I'd rather see a flop and give myself a chance to escape if I miss.

I think your aces alone are a big enough favorite with having two lo cards and both being suited if you get it heads up here you should be happy as hell to get it in and gamboooool(me personally I wouldn't mind getting it in 3 way, but I do like to gamble )

[jmbreslin 0]

I've heard you like the 3-way... I'm not confident that I could have gotten it heads-up in this hand with a minraise and 3-bet in front, and very shallow stacks of both villains. If I 4-bet they both might just decide to get it all in with what they have left. I don't think getting both villains all in PF is a good outcome here.

[rvrchsrhtr 0]

I've heard you like the 3-way... I'm not confident that I could have gotten it heads-up in this hand with a minraise and 3-bet in front, and very shallow stacks of both villains. If I 4-bet they both might just decide to get it all in with what they have left. I don't think getting both villains all in PF is a good outcome here.

LMFAO!!!! I think you have a good shot at it, but no guarantee by any means button only has $.20 in and you have the ability with the pot size to reraise enough where it is all in or nothing for him and if not I don't think getting both villains all in is maybe a "good" thing here, but it can't be too bad. If I knew their hands I would punch it in the old odds calculator and see what kind of equity u had (if u haven't already done this) As played I like that flop and would be willing to get it all in vs opponents who still had some left in their stack FWIW

[jmbreslin 0]

Comments on this one? Small number of hands against villain but so far he was playing very loose passive.Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comHero (MP) ($8.60)Button ($4.30)SB ($8.65)BB ($3.95)UTG ($3.45)Preflop: Hero is MP with 2, K, 8, A1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BB calls $0.20Flop: ($0.65) 4, 2, 9(2 players)BB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10Turn: ($0.85) A(2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $0.85, BB calls $0.85River: ($2.55) 3(2 players)BB bets $1.30, Hero foldsTotal pot: $2.55 | Rake: $0.25

[jmbreslin 0]

Okay, I need to seriously rethink what I'm doing. My bonus-clearing efforts at FT have been a complete waste of time. Despite clearing almost half my bonus so far, as well as receiving rakeback, I've made absolutely no profit because I've been consistently losing money at the games I've been playing for bonus-clearing purposes. There's no point playing these games to clear bonus if I'm losing money in the process. I'm most comfortable playing NLHE SnGs, but the low stakes ones are terrible from a bonus-clearing perspective. So I need a new strategery. I need to figure out a way to clear as much of my remaining bonus as possible with as little risk to my bankroll as possible. So far I've tried .25-.50 Stud 8 (started off well but then started losing), .05-.10 NLHE cash (too high variance), .25-.50 LO8 (couldn't win at all) and now .05-.10 PLO8 (not winning and not enough big pots at 6-max to clear bonus efficiently). What the hell should I do?I'm thinking the best approach might be to return to .25-.50 LO8 and totally nut-peddle. I'm talking play uber-nitty PF and only continue past the flop with strong scoopable hands. Since FT calculates raked pots by dealt hands, not contribution, I don't actually have to see a single flop to get rake credit.Thoughts?