Scott3705 0 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Posting a few hands. Have not been playing poker at all for last 3 months and extremely rusty.Me: $250V1: $130. 4 orbits in so no real read.3 limpers to V1 on button who raises to $22. Preflop bet is higher than table norm and his two previous preflop bets. I call w/ AK after asking how much he had left. Limpers fold.Flopk q 10I took a c/f line. His bet turned out to be an all-in. but i was c/fing regardless in my mind. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 I call here. Often. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 I call here. Often.I was torn. I couldn't figure out anything i beat. Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Same stinking thing happened to me the other night playing at a home game - 3 times! Twice it was Flopping top two pair. I called all three times and lost to a Set twice and a flopped straight once. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 I was torn. I couldn't figure out anything i beat.Were the suits of any importance? He have AQ w/flush draw perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 Were the suits of any importance? He have AQ w/flush draw perhaps?suits weren't important. Atleast i don't remember thinking about a flush draw. Regardless, I don't think he puts in that preflop overbet w/ AQ. Link to post Share on other sites
disctiger85 0 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 What was the purpose of calling this huge overbet pre-flop if we were going to c/f almost any flop? I mean, you obviously don't think he's putting in that big of a raise with less than AK. Is JJ that unreasonable? Would he really push this flop with T's, Q's, or K's? If you put him on a big pair there's no need to put in that much money pre-flop behind. If he's any good then he isn't paying us on a A/K high board IMO. I often times fold this pre-flop, or I get crazy and put him in, but calling isn't something that makes me comfortable. Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Would he really push this flop with T's, Q's, or K's?That was my exact thought. If he flopped some kind of a monster, is he pushing here? Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 I was torn. I couldn't figure out anything i beat.JJ. AQ. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Regardless, I don't think he puts in that preflop overbet w/ AQ.Then I think we need to fold preflop. Link to post Share on other sites
disctiger85 0 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Then I think we need to fold preflop.QFT Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 What was the purpose of calling this huge overbet pre-flop if we were going to c/f almost any flop? Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 What was the purpose of calling this huge overbet pre-flop if we were going to c/f almost any flop? I mean, you obviously don't think he's putting in that big of a raise with less than AK. Is JJ that unreasonable? Would he really push this flop with T's, Q's, or K's? If you put him on a big pair there's no need to put in that much money pre-flop behind. If he's any good then he isn't paying us on a A/K high board IMO. I often times fold this pre-flop, or I get crazy and put him in, but calling isn't something that makes me comfortable.I rarely push Ak preflop in cash games. Granted he's not that deep, but he's deep enough and i'm expecting a call. Point of posting the hand was to see how foldable this is preflop and what people thought. I took a decent amount of time in my preflop action and weighed that, but honestly couldn't bring myself to do it. For any flop, I believe that I may not stack this player on a K or A high board, but I would expect a C-bet most times. (He was asian.) Need help on the math w/ that if it really makes sense to call then. But I still think we have lines that get all this players chips on better flops that include an ace or king. Flop: C/C Turn: likely goes check check, River: he's committed to calling a bet on the river at that point with a pair of Queens or jacks. So I'm not totally convinced that we always have to fold this, but I'm not convinced that it's good to call. I am somewhat suprised that everyone is taking the "how can you fold if a king comes" approach on this board.Edit: I also did consider JJ in this hand as the only hand I really could beat. But do you expect him to try to blow me off ak here? W/ the action and deliberation preflop, he's got to have me on AK or a pair 88-jj. What's the point of overpushing the flop at that piont. also, Would you not push this board w/ a set and that stack? Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I only see JJ that u beat or AK that you tie. This is an easy fold for me on this board. I get my money in here against this villian on 95% of K high flops but not this one. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I hate the idea of calling a huge raise OOP with AK. I think you should either be folding this pre or pushing. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I hate the idea of calling a huge raise OOP with AK. I think you should either be folding this pre or pushing.Especially against non-full stacks, getting your money in HU with AK in a cash game is not that bad. Link to post Share on other sites
disctiger85 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I rarely push Ak preflop in cash games. Granted he's not that deep, but he's deep enough and i'm expecting a call. But I still think we have lines that get all this players chips on better flops that include an ace or king. Flop: C/C Turn: likely goes check check, River: he's committed to calling a bet on the river at that point with a pair of Queens or jacks. So I'm not totally convinced that we always have to fold this, but I'm not convinced that it's good to call. I am somewhat suprised that everyone is taking the "how can you fold if a king comes" approach on this board.I also rarely push AK in cash games preflop. The thing is, if we're going to play AK in this spot with these stack sizes then it's push/fold. If you really think he's strong enough to where he's going to call a push then it's a super easy fold. I think it can be fun though to push this spot so that when we do find ourself in a similar/fortunate situation later with AA/KK then we will be more likely to get calls. So if you do flop TPTK then you are planning on check/calling the flop, and checking the turn as well? Thus, giving our Agg player a chance to see all five cards without putting any money in against his will? I kinda hate the thought of this. Let's face it, there's hardly any money in the pot pre-flop other than his raise, and we have a drawing hand. There's really no need to bother in this spot, when we know we're going to have to hit an A or K. Push or fold.I don't mind the fold on the flop at all....It's a nasty board and a lot of people that don't want to get drawn out on would push AA in that spot, so the fold is fine. Basically, I just really don't like calling pre-flop knowing we won't continue unless 1 of 6 cards in the deck comes out on the flop, and even then it has to be on a "safe" flop. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Why not B/f? We fold JJ/99, and we're very likely getting raised if we're behind, unless the nuts have been flopped. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Author Share Posted January 2, 2007 Why not B/f? We fold JJ/99, and we're very likely getting raised if we're behind, unless the nuts have been flopped.Betting might pot commits me hoping for a chop on this board. maybe if I led for $30. Guess it comes back at 2:1 and it's foldable. Link to post Share on other sites
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