LHE vs NLHE

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Yes, I'd say pot limit is the most complex, and also the least played, of the 3 common structures for hold'em. If you thought position was important in nl, wait till you get a solid feel for pot limit. There is nothing, and I mean nothing, like cracking an EP raiser who has aces and you know it. you call with rags because they can only bring it in for like 5xbb UTG and you flop the deceptive 2 pair. Cha-ching. Can be frustrating at times, but it is very challenging AND complex. As for the argument of which being a more complex game, NL or LHE, I'd have to say, more complex to what? More complex of a game to master, to win at, to become a top pro, or just to learn? On the surface limit hold em doesn't sound very complex, it's just a few rigid options. Bet, call, fold. The complexity comes from playing optimally, over the long haul. Picking which option is correct more times than your opponent. This kind of play lends itself well to being programmed on a computer. After all, there are charts available telling you what to do with what hand in what position. A computer, I believe, could play fairly optimally in a full handed ring game that is run online, almost no different than any top pro. It wouldn't just follow a chart, obviously it could track every bet you ever made in a game, and exploit your patterns, detecting your leaks and exploiting them accordingly. Now, is limit a complex game because relatively simple instructions can be used as the basis for all decisions in limit, or because to play optimally, thousands of calculations could be used in order to make one bet, or call, or fold, all for the sake of squeaking out maybe a fraction of a BB/hour to add to your avg rate?Oh, and the suckout is not the great equalizer in NL. If a guy doubles up on me through a 15-1 shot, through EV, he just lost a crap load of cash, even though he won. Worst odds in the casino, playing NL like an idiot. At least in limit, the 14 times that I lose I'll still have some cash left over to chase again. End of story. This is the main argument for skill aka complexity in NL hold'em. A fool is more effeciently fleeced from his cash, without anything to protect him, aka limited betting structure.