trying to improve limit cash game, forget about 2/4?

[Drum Infected 0]

I'm in Minnisota right now for a month and the wifi at the hotel sucks so bad I can't play any Sng's which is my strongest game. I couldn't play any poker at all actually, because the connection would always time out and I was just wasting money. I mostly went too MN with my brother because he is on a out of town job, and it was a good opportunity to get some live play in. I found out that in Minnisota that they only have limit cash games and only NHLE tournaments, but they only have tournaments every so often so what better time to improve my limit game then now?Limit is one of my weaker games I play and I've been playing mostly everyday I've been up here. So far I have only been playing 2/4 and I have really been thinking about if I should've just started at the 3/6 table instead.Reason being is so many times I've been beat by terrible play and terrible call downs and suck outs that I'm wondering if I should just begone with 2/4 all together.As far as my experience for playing limit, I would say I'm pretty knowledgable of the game. I have read several books about the game but my live play I would say I have had around 30, 10 hour days under my belt.Any advice you can give me would be great, and I would greatly appreciate it, and thanks for your time.

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

I'm in Minnisota right now for a month and the wifi at the hotel sucks so bad I can't play any Sng's which is my strongest game. I couldn't play any poker at all actually, because the connection would always time out and I was just wasting money. I mostly went too MN with my brother because he is on a out of town job, and it was a good opportunity to get some live play in. I found out that in Minnisota that they only have limit cash games and only NHLE tournaments, but they only have tournaments every so often so what better time to improve my limit game then now?Limit is one of my weaker games I play and I've been playing mostly everyday I've been up here. So far I have only been playing 2/4 and I have really been thinking about if I should've just started at the 3/6 table instead.Reason being is so many times I've been beat by terrible play and terrible call downs and suck outs that I'm wondering if I should just begone with 2/4 all together.As far as my experience for playing limit, I would say I'm pretty knowledgable of the game. I have read several books about the game but my live play I would say I have had around 30, 10 hour days under my belt.Any advice you can give me would be great, and I would greatly appreciate it, and thanks for your time.

You have not been beat by terrible play you have been beat by variance. Moving up limits will only make the losses greater. If anything you should move down, unfortunately Canterbury's lowest limit is 2/4, but you will experience bad play at every limit there ( I am an 8/16 regular who has played all the lmits there) the difference being the higher the limit the more aggressive the players so expect to lose more bets when you do get sucked out on. I will say that it might be better to move up if you have the money, because it is nearly impossible to beat the rake.

[Drum Infected 0]

You have not been beat by terrible play you have been beat by variance.

That's the word I was looking for :-) Thanks for correcting me. The thing is I have this rare condition where my body doesn't produce any luck whatsoever so I have to rely on just skill most of the time. You and I know that doesn't work more than half the time so, I'm trying to find the best way to make an extra buck. My bankroll range is in the 2/4, 3/6, but I sit down with at least 20x BB. How many times the BB do you usually buy in with? Thanks alot for helping out too. There is casino where I live that has 3/6 but it's the lowest table they have. I was just thinking there would be a little bit better play on a 3/6 than a 2/4, because it's one up and alot of new players wouldn't start at 3/6 they would want to start off with 2/4.I'm pretty much stuck at the casino while my brother does steelwork, and I play poker for 10 hours a day, so I have the time an patience to play limit and just sit there waiting for the good hands. :-) Does that factor in at all while playing? More time on your hands to play?All this thinking started when this guy capped it with me and 5 other people I had AA, and there was a 8 on the flop and he called it all down with a K, 8 ,with a 8 on the river. Hands like that that get me as well as anyone else.... dats Poker!

[bdams19 0]

I learned to play limit on 1/2 on party. Games can definately be beaten, just be patient and play well, although it can be frustrating at times when its 8 to the flop when you have AA.

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

You have not been beat by terrible play you have been beat by variance.

That's the word I was looking for :-) Thanks for correcting me. The thing is I have this rare condition where my body doesn't produce any luck whatsoever so I have to rely on just skill most of the time. You and I know that doesn't work more than half the time so, I'm trying to find the best way to make an extra buck. My bankroll range is in the 2/4, 3/6, but I sit down with at least 20x BB. How many times the BB do you usually buy in with? Thanks alot for helping out too. There is casino where I live that has 3/6 but it's the lowest table they have. I was just thinking there would be a little bit better play on a 3/6 than a 2/4, because it's one up and alot of new players wouldn't start at 3/6 they would want to start off with 2/4.I'm pretty much stuck at the casino while my brother does steelwork, and I play poker for 10 hours a day, so I have the time an patience to play limit and just sit there waiting for the good hands. :-) Does that factor in at all while playing? More time on your hands to play?You wantAll this thinking started when this guy capped it with me and 5 other people I had AA, and there was a 8 on the flop and he called it all down with a K, 8 ,with a 8 on the river. Hands like that that get me as well as anyone else.... dats Poker!

You do not want to sit w/ better players. You think that better players means you will win more, but what you are really looking for is to avoid bad beats. Unfortunately there is no way to do this, save quitting poker all together. I think you need to post some hands in strat so we can get an idea of your skill level. I will constructively say that you do lack knowledge of some very fundamental ideas just judging by your post. You are obviously getting emotionally committed to every pot you thnk you deserve to win. Poker is not about the # of pots u win, its about the amount of money. Read this carefully: You want 8-way action when you are holding AA. Your hand is a monster favorite (over 40%) to drag a huge pot. You have really not played enough to really understand whether you are even a favorite in these games. You need more hours for short term luck to be less prevalent. Continue playing and post some hands that you think you lost due to bad luck and we will help you to improve in these situations (lose min. win max.)P.S. Sit w/ 20bb and never lose more than 40. This assumes you are not in a wild game, but I would suggest avoiding these until become more emotionally in tune with aggregate +ev plays rather than short term results.

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

I learned to play limit on 1/2 on party.   Games can definately be beaten, just be patient and play well, although it can be frustrating at times when its 8 to the flop when you have AA.

The 1/2 players on Party are experts compared to the players in the canterbury 2, but your point is well taken.

[Drum Infected 0]

I will constructively say that you do lack knowledge of some very fundamental ideas just judging by your post. You are obviously getting emotionally committed to every pot you thnk you deserve to win

I would prolly think that too if I read my post, but I mainly wanted a quick answer before I go to bed. I don't become emotionally committed to pots, I just wanted to put in perspective the level of play in a higher level of blind. I play tight aggressive and mix it up every so often when needed. You pretty much have answered my questions, and I have a couple more questions to ask you. I pretty much have been just frustrated when I get cold cards for very long periods of time and there is nothing I can do other than move. How long do you wait until you move to another table or another seat?

You have really not played enough to really understand whether you are even a favorite in these games.

I think know my percentages pretty good. I have been playing NLHE for 3 years now, so I have a pretty good idea if I'm a favorite or not. Of coarse NL and L play like night and day. My everyday BR is set up pretty much how you said though. 20xbb and if I lose 40x BB i'm out!tanks again for input

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

I will constructively say that you do lack knowledge of some very fundamental ideas just judging by your post. You are obviously getting emotionally committed to every pot you thnk you deserve to win

I would prolly think that too if I read my post, but I mainly wanted a quick answer before I go to bed. I don't become emotionally committed to pots, I just wanted to put in perspective the level of play in a higher level of blind. I play tight aggressive and mix it up every so often when needed. You pretty much have answered my questions, and I have a couple more questions to ask you. I pretty much have been just frustrated when I get cold cards for very long periods of time and there is nothing I can do other than move. How long do you wait until you move to another table or another seat?

You have really not played enough to really understand whether you are even a favorite in these games.

I think know my percentages pretty good. I have been playing NLHE for 3 years now, so I have a pretty good idea if I'm a favorite or not. Of coarse NL and L play like night and day. My everyday BR is set up pretty much how you said though. 20xbb and if I lose 40x BB i'm out!tanks again for input

The cards are random so it doesnt matter whether you move, unless you think the game is too tough. I sometimes move when I am frustrated, I too become emotionally involved and pick out opponents that I dislike. They never know it (ok they probably do), but If they are inferior players and are running good when I am running bad I sometimes push too hard. It is good to go ahead and switch tables as like a fresh start. Doesnt have anything to do w/ how the cards run, but I usually play better as a result (until my first bad beat at least!), because I feel like a new setting calms my nerves.P.S. By the bolded above statement I meant whether you are favorite to beat these particular games in the long run, not hand perrcentages.

[LuckyMcCatcher 0]

Also as far as the cold run goes, they happen and can last awhile. I have been on many long downswings. Just came off a long one live. Ive gone 13 sessions w/o booking a win before and this can have a huge effect on your game and how you view the game. It gets so bad that you can become borderline insane. I get semi-superstitious (not in my nature at all), cranky and, and meek in my play. Its poker and it sucks sometimes and just have to roll w/ it.

[Luvdapoka 0]

this is from someone who plays $6/12 limit on a regular basis, you moving to the $3/6 game will not really change how the people play. I actually see some of the same calls made in the $6/12 game that you do in 2/4 and 3/6. You have to be patient and wait for good starting hands, also know going in that because you'll usually have a better hand going into the river that you will get sucked out on, there is only so much you can do in limit poker to protect your hand. If you realize you did everything right and did everything you could to protect your hand, then say nice hand and move on, don't steam.

[TheIceman05 0]

If your reasoning is "The players are so bad, I cannot win" I would suggest giving up on poker all together until you learn a little about itIce