you guys remember the open ended str8 flush draw?

[Binbs 0]

I posted a hand earlier this week where I had an open ended str8 flush draw and pushed all in on the flop. Lots of ppl felt that it was a bad move since the size of the pot was so small.But because of the level of stakes, there are so many fish who will call with 2 pair or an overpair.Heres another example to try and show why it works at the lower levels.Game #1531780963: Hold'em NL (£1/£2) - 2005/12/09 - 11:06:29 (UK)Table "Tombstone" Seat 5 is the button. Seat 1: Vipond001 (£172.50 in chips)Seat 2: Klippen (£194.25 in chips)Seat 3: Zlatan70 (£204.28 in chips)Seat 4: Wardle (£66.76 in chips)Seat 5: Binbs (£462.12 in chips)Seat 6: goodtimes (£509.62 in chips)goodtimes: posts small blind £1Vipond001: posts big blind £2----- HOLE CARDS -----dealt to Binbs [Ah 9h]Klippen: calls £2Zlatan70: raises to £6Wardle: calls £6Binbs: calls £6goodtimes: foldsVipond001: foldsKlippen: calls £4----- FLOP ----- [7h 8c Th]Klippen: checksZlatan70: checksWardle: bets £14Binbs: raises to £456.12 and is all-inKlippen: is all-in £188.25Zlatan70: foldsWardle: is all-in £46.76Returned uncalled bets £267.87 to Binbs----- TURN ----- [7h 8c Th][6s]----- RIVER ----- [7h 8c Th 6s][5h]----- SHOW DOWN -----Binbs: shows [Ah 9h] (A Flush, Ace high)Klippen: shows [7s 8s] (Two Pairs, Eights and Sevens, Ten high)Wardle: shows [Js Jc] (A Pair of Jacks, Ten high)Binbs collected £254.98 from Side pot #1Binbs collected £206.28 from Main pot----- SUMMARY -----Total pot £464.26 Main pot £206.28 Side pot #1 £254.98 | Rake £3Board [7h 8c Th 6s 5h]Seat 1: Vipond001 (big blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: Zlatan70 folded on the FlopSeat 5: Binbs (button) showed [Ah 9h] and won (£461.26) with A Flush, Ace highSeat 6: goodtimes (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)****HAND ENDS**** Game #1532073773: Hold'em NL (£1/£2) - 2005/12/09 - 12:16:46 (UK)Table "Passion" Seat 2 is the button. Seat 1: Samhar001 (£31.51 in chips)Seat 2: rule54 (£157.72 in chips)Seat 3: hood (£170 in chips)Seat 4: Binbs (£200 in chips)Seat 5: Rlcnmw (£136.85 in chips)Seat 6: mcscottyy (£171 in chips)hood: posts small blind £1Binbs: posts big blind £2----- HOLE CARDS -----dealt to Binbs [8s 5s]Rlcnmw: calls £2mcscottyy: calls £2Samhar001: calls £2rule54: foldshood: calls £1Binbs: checks----- FLOP ----- [As 7s 6d]hood: checksBinbs: bets £8Rlcnmw: raises to £16mcscottyy: foldsSamhar001: foldshood: foldsBinbs: raises to £198 and is all-inRlcnmw: is all-in £118.85Returned uncalled bets £63.15 to Binbs----- TURN ----- [As 7s 6d][Ts]----- RIVER ----- [As 7s 6d Ts][5c]----- SHOW DOWN -----Binbs: shows [8s 5s] (A Flush, Ace high)Rlcnmw: shows [Ad 7c] (Two Pairs, Aces and Sevens, Ten high)Binbs collected £276.70 from Main pot----- SUMMARY -----Total pot £279.70 Main pot £276.70 Rake £3Board [As 7s 6d Ts 5c]Seat 1: Samhar001 folded on the FlopSeat 2: rule54 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: hood (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 4: Binbs (big blind) showed [8s 5s] and won (£276.70) with A Flush, Ace highSeat 6: mcscottyy folded on the Flop****HAND ENDS****

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

Um..I don't recall the original thread, so I can't speak to that, but, I think you're leaving a lot of money on the table this way.When you have a huge draw, do you not want the pot to be built up? I mean, your kamikaze method will take down a lot of smaller pots, might even win a big one here and there. But, I think a lot of times this method will find you behind a set, and I'm not sure I even like the idea of being against two pair, really. I would think a limit based idea of how to bet would be ideal here. Bet 1/3-3/4 of the pot to build yourself a large pot, so that when you do hit, you get paid handsomely.You do yourself a disservice I think to push everyone but two pair/set's out.Just my thoughts.

[Binbs 0]

Well I dont do this every single time. It depends on the situation. How many people are in the pot, the strength I sense from my opponent etc.But the biggest reason I do this, is because of fold equity. I want people to get outta the pot with TP for the times that I dont hit.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

Well I dont do this every single time. It depends on the situation. How many people are in the pot, the strength I sense from my opponent etc.But the biggest reason I do this, is because of fold equity. I want people to get outta the pot with TP for the times that I dont hit.

No, I understand that. And you are in theory, minimizing losses, as you're a favorite most every time. But, this is where I tend to think, that, building pots is better. Let's say you win 10 pots of 40 bucks (avg.) a piece over 10 sessions, using that all in method. Profit = 400I think, over the same 10 sessions, similar tables, if you build your pots with 1/3-Pot size bets, you're looking at something like. If you build those same pots with this betting style, you may win only 5 or 6 pots, but they're going to be upwards of 100. Profit = 500-600.See what I'm getting at?