qq in nl - what would you of done?

[LongOdds 0]

Ok, so $50 NL table.SB PostsBB PostsUTG FoldsHero - Dealt Red QQ - Raise to $2Everyone folds around to BB, who makes it $6Hero CallsFlop Comes 3 Rags (8 high), with 2 Spades.BB leads out with a $16 bet.I go into the tank. Preflop, his range was 66-AA, AJ-AK. Now, I dont think he would overbet the pot with a set (pot has $12.25), so this bet is screaming protection to me. I am certain he doesnt have the spade draw. Really, in my eyes he could have 99-JJ (pocket overpair, but smaller than mine) or KK-AA (dreadful pocket overpairs). I start thinking that there is no way with KK or AA he would bet out this strong. In that situation, I would expect a bet anywhere between 75 and 100% of the pot, but not an overbet. So, with a bad feeling about things, I push.He calls, shows AA, and I miss.Now, did he just outplay me by making an overbet to appear weak, or was this just a case of someone protecting aces trying to make me overpay with what he presumed was a draw? In retrospect, I know my read (specially preflop) was that he was very strong, but I put the pieces together and I just couldnt make sense of his overbet into that board.Any thoughts on my play? Is it just a bad circumstance that most players would go broke with, or am I missing something about the way he played it? Any thoughts would be appreciated.

[Kendren 1]

So what you're saying is, you had a decent read, felt uneasy about things, "with bad feelings baou tit", and you decided to....push?Trust yourself. If you think you're beat in that kind of situation, let it go. You have no contractual obligation to see out big pairs.

[Schneider 0]

Look at his preflop actions.He re-raised to 6. I wouldn't put him on anything less than AK/AQ....AAKKQQJJ.The overbet of the pot is tricky.I find that very weak or very strong players overbet pots. IT looks like in this case you found a strong player.In my opinion, its just one of those hands you were meant to lose.If you put him on AA or KK, you could call and wait for that 3rd spade to fall and bluff at it, thats probably your only hope of making money on that hand.

[timwakefield 68]

Yeah AA over QQ, tough situation, happens all the time. It seems to me that your best bet would have been to fold to his $6, or RERAISE him. If you already thought he might have you beat, you can always fold. But getting away from QQ is tough, so you should have reraised to see how strong he really was. If you had raised to say $10, he would have almost certainly gone in and then you could have folded, losing only the $10. One other note, I don't really think that a $16 bet into a $12.50 pot is much of an overbet. It's basically a pot-sized bet, a little higher because he's trying to protect himself. Think of it this way, what could he have bet that would have made you fold? If you didn't fold to $16, you probably wouldn't have folded to a serious overbet (looking even more suspicious), and an underbet looks like he's nervously trying to buy it with ak or something. A pot-sized bet doesn't give you any more information than you already have, since it's expected. So the way to survive this hand was to reraise preflop and then fold to his rereraise.

[LongOdds 0]

a) if I were to reraise preflop (he raised to $6), it would have been to $16 to $18 dollars, so by no means would I have just lost $10.B) if he had bet out $10 to $12, I may have been able to let this go. My read said AA or KK, but the overbet made me think TT or JJ, which I was dominating.

[Mattnxtc 0]

i usually get pretty weary of a guy who reraises a good amount like he did. Then when he led on the flop with that big a bet id defiantly be worrying. His hand range defiantly narrows down to AA-maybe 10s if he is loose...and possibly still ak...if u exclude the 10s and ak then u are a big dog most of the time...but its tough

[Rocketwadster 0]

Look at it from his perspective. You just called his pre-flop raise, and two spades show up on the flop, so he definately wants you to pay to your flush draw (if that is what you have).I think your best bet would be to re-raise before the flop, and see what happens. Very easy to get away from wueens if he re-raises you back (without aces or kings who would do that?) :wink:

[LongOdds 0]

What river? The way this played, with the stack sizes, it was all or nothing after that flop. I dont think flat calling was an option.

[Rocketwadster 0]

What river?  The way this played, with the stack sizes, it was all or nothing after that flop.  I dont think flat calling was an option.

Edited - brain fart...they happen late in the day...lol