Chavarov 0 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 I've dabbled a bit in these lately. I'm kinda lost in some situations. Some input is appreciated. 1. blinds at 50-100, in the cutoff with KQ and 1500 chips. I should ship it everytime, correct? I'm probably not raise/folding that stack anyways, might as well shove?2. blinds at 50-100, I'm in the button with AJo and 3000 chips. UTG shoves 1500, It folds to me. Assuming UTG hasn't been very active.... fold?3. blinds at 400-800, 25 bb stack limps, 15 bb stack raises to 3x, folds to me in the BB holding 44 with 3200 chips total. Fold? I know this is too nitty, but I expect to 1) be dominated by guy who raised/racing, and the big stack is always coming along if I shove, so I'm probably facing 3 overcards. Fold or shove? 4. blinds at 100-200, I raise to 500 (4500 stack) from the cutoff with TT. Button shoves 3000, big stack in the big blind smooth calls off half his stack. Shove of Fold?Since my raise is from the cutoff, the button's shove "should be" a lot wider, and the big blinds calling range too, so I'm shoving. But if my raise was from UTG, would it be a fold then? Or am I overthinking in these spots?5. with both players between 10 and 15 big blinds, calling ranges when being in the big blind, against a small blind shove? I think my pushes are OK, but my calling ranges really need some work. Assuming the small blind is shoving ATC, calling range? and assuming he's shoving 50% of his hands?Ok, thats about it. Thanks for any and all inputChavarov Link to post Share on other sites
Chet Chetterson 0 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 First of all a bunch of these depends on your read of the people involved. Reads will change the scenarios slightly.Some answers:#3: With only 4 BB left you can't fold a pair. You NEED to race in this spot. If he has the over pair then it's a cooler and you jump in the next one. Big stacks won't necessarily call, even if they should ATC. #5: Theory says shoving from the SB with a wide range is good. However this is a 2.20 and people don't necessarily follow this rule. You definitely need a top 50% hand to call. Your call range is obviously smaller than SB's shove range. Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 1. blinds at 50-100, in the cutoff with KQ and 1500 chips. I should ship it everytime, correct? I'm probably not raise/folding that stack anyways, might as well shove?15BB is too much to open-shove with KQ, you're going to be behind any hand that calls. That stack is just big enough to still make a standard raise.2. blinds at 50-100, I'm in the button with AJo and 3000 chips. UTG shoves 1500, It folds to me. Assuming UTG hasn't been very active.... fold?Yes, even if UTG has been active AJ still doesn't stack up well against a UTG shove. You don't want to call off half your stack when you're likely to be behind.3. blinds at 400-800, 25 bb stack limps, 15 bb stack raises to 3x, folds to me in the BB holding 44 with 3200 chips total. Fold? I know this is too nitty, but I expect to 1) be dominated by guy who raised/racing, and the big stack is always coming along if I shove, so I'm probably facing 3 overcards. Fold or shove?Folding isn't too nitty at all. The problem there is you have zero fold equity. The raiser isn't going to fold for 800 more, and the bigstack will probably come along too, which means you're likely going into a 3-way pot with a hand that most likely won't survive. 4. blinds at 100-200, I raise to 500 (4500 stack) from the cutoff with TT. Button shoves 3000, big stack in the big blind smooth calls off half his stack. Shove of Fold?Since my raise is from the cutoff, the button's shove "should be" a lot wider, and the big blinds calling range too, so I'm shoving. But if my raise was from UTG, would it be a fold then? Or am I overthinking in these spots?I don't think the BB's calling range is very wide at all. He flat-called a big reraise for half his stack. Most likely a big pair.5. with both players between 10 and 15 big blinds, calling ranges when being in the big blind, against a small blind shove? I think my pushes are OK, but my calling ranges really need some work. Assuming the small blind is shoving ATC, calling range? and assuming he's shoving 50% of his hands?I'm not great with ranges but if I'm calling off most/all of my stack against an active pusher I want to decrease the chances that I'm dominated. That means I won't bother with junky Aces and probably tiny pairs. Since we never know if the pusher is actually shoving ATC, my range would probably be something like 77+, AT+. But that might be a bit too nitty. Link to post Share on other sites
sjm20 0 Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 First of all, I don't think reads are extremely valuable in these scenarios because they're just theoretical, and I love the idea.1) Standard open IMO. There's the argument that only better hands are going to call, but there's also the concept of induction. I think opening with the intent to 4 bet is fine as long as you open with that mindset. You might get the blind to do something stupid thinking he has fold equity where you've already made up your mind to call. KQ might not be the best example, but give yourself AT sooted in this spot and run through my scenario.2) Pretty easy fold.3) Not nitty at all, standard fold, you have to think about protecting your equity and 44 isn't close enough to do that4) I would argue that the flat from the BB (who hasn't previously acted) might actually be to get YOU to reshove. Best case scenario, Button has two overs and BB has a smaller pair. Once again, I prefer to protect my equity here.5) pokerstove.com - use it, learn it, live it. Also, the latest Deuce Plays at deucescracked.com has shaundeeb on there talking about some interesting things about SB reshoves. One thing you might want to consider is just opening smaller against shorter stacks. I think ZeeJustin started this, but Samoleus and Deeb have both agreed that if the SB and BB are only shoving or folding - you should be opening to 2x on the button every time. If you work this into your game, you'll find better spots and you will simplify these decisions Link to post Share on other sites
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