Suited_Up 2 Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 LOL @ RBP being a legit affiliate.Who's dick did they suck if that's the case? Me thinks not. Link to post Share on other sites
SilentButDeadly3 0 Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 LMAO. This is so ridiculous. Sigh.........sent them two emails about it and they gave the "standard" answer like they gave everyone else. WTF. Link to post Share on other sites
Jariso13 1 Posted June 18, 2008 Author Share Posted June 18, 2008 LOL @ RBP being a legit affiliate.Who's dick did they suck if that's the case? Me thinks not.They do have cool graphs lol... What kind of % do FT affiliates generally make off players? Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 I'm just going to be very beligrant. The next stock answer I get, I'm just going to say " Look, I'll tell you what, I'll give you a choice. You can set me with Rakebackpros.com as my rakeback affliate, or you can send me the balance of my account in check form then close my account. Those are your two options. I don't hear back from you within 3 days, I'm going to asusme it was option number to, and procede with cashing out and closing my account. I'm sick of getting the high hat from you, when you're plaining lying to me. Ihope to hear from you soon.Or something like that. I'm not bluffing. Full Tilt is not one of the fisher sites out there, and there are plenty of other sites out there. I'm sure they will fold and cave to my concerns, rather than lock me out of the site. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 They do have cool graphs lol... What kind of % do FT affiliates generally make off players?It's different for every affiliate depending on volume. But I'll say this... FTP pays less than every other site. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 and another round.. tensions are heating up....>> Thank you for contacting Full Tilt Poker.>> After reviewing your account I note that you are linked to an affiliate.>> As you were unaware of this, you most likely visited a website that had our banner advertised. If a person clicks on this banner they are taken to the Full Tilt poker sign up page and are automatically tracked to the affiliate.>> Also if you use a referral code from a friend that could be an affiliate you will be automatically tracked to them.>> Unfortunately, for privacy reasons we cannot disclose which affiliate you are linked to. Nevertheless, you have signed under a banner that is affiliated with Full Tilt Poker.>> There is a test group of players who are not linked to any affiliate, who have been assigned to an affiliate 'rakebackpros'. The reason for why we were unable to put your name forward for consideration is because you are already linked to an affiliate.>> It would violate our Affiliate Agreement to move a player off of an affiliate account.>> Since you have not been receiving rakeback from this affiliate, we have placed you on an alternative list for upcoming promotions as compensation.>> Please bear in mind that this is not an issue which can be solved by closing your current account and opening a new one. It is against Full Tilt Poker's policy to open more than one account.>> Please contact us again if there is anything else we can assist you with.>> Regards,>> Edouard> Full Tilt Poker Support> to which I responded. I understand that this is not an issue that will be solved by closing my account, and opening a new one. This is an issue that will be solved by me closing my account, and never coming back to your worthless site. You are lying to me, over and over. I did not click on a banner, I was not referred to by a friend, I went directly to full tilt poker and signed up. I am sick of your god damn lies, I am sick of the way your site treats it's customers, and I am sick of this bullshit. So I will repeat myself, one last time. Either you put me on rakebackpros, or alternately, another affiliate rakeback site, or I am cashing out, and closing my account. Believe me, your site is not good enough to continue to play at without receiving rake back. If I'm not going to get rakeback, then I'll just start playing at pokerstars, which have a much better fpp system and much softer games. When I close my account I assure you, I won't come back. This is not a bluff. I am on my absolute final nerve with your site. So, the next email I receive from you better be "you have been okayed for rakeback" or "goodbye". Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 And perhaps the final round. I have given them my ultimatum. I'm so sick of full tilt, and their support's treatment.. his claim that he told me in previous emails that I would be contacted if I am selected for an affiliate program, it's a complete lie. > As you have been informed in previous correspondence you will be contacted by Full Tilt Poker if you are selected to receive rakeback.>> We feel we have been more than accommodating in answering several emails from you on this subject in the past. At this time, we must advise you that, while we will be more than happy to answer your questions or concerns on any other topic, we will no longer be responding to any correspondence from you regarding receiving rakeback,>> Regards,>> Jose> Full Tilt Poker Support> You never, ever said that I would be contacted by full tilt poker if I am selected to receive rakeback. This is yet another lie. I am sick and tired of this. You have absolutely not been accommodating, you have actually been the exact opposite of accommodating. I think your site is very dishonest, you give me conflicting emails every time I talk to you, you do everything you possibly can not to accommodate me. When you continually lie and deceive me, when you continually try to do everything you can not to accommodate me, it doesn't precisely make me trust your site. And gambling on a poker site requires trust. So, unless I am contacted, by monday, that I am selected to receive rakeback, I am closing my account. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 I'm sure they will fold and cave to my concerns, rather than lock me out of the site.Doesn't look like it.Also, I don't see why they'd lie about you being linked to an affiliate, it's really easy to accidentally do that. And if that's the case, it wouldn't be fair to move you to another one. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Doesn't look like it.Also, I don't see why they'd lie about you being linked to an affiliate, it's really easy to accidentally do that. And if that's the case, it wouldn't be fair to move you to another one.Says the rakeback shill.And it's easy to see why they would lie about it, because they don't want to ship 1/3rd of my rake away. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Sounds like Big D got told by "Edouard" and "Jose". <snicker>Anyway, the use of the word "luck" is kind of funny. This situation makes me think of a guy hitting on the same girl over and over and she keeps saying "no". Finally, she say "yes", if only to get the guy to just STOP ALREADY. I guess you could call this whole thing "mercy rakeback"? Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 And frankly, I Don't care what's fair to some random banner guy. Even if what they say is true, and I'm tied into another affiliate ( which I think is a lie, for the record, as I remember going straight to the site). That guy is about to get zero of my rakeback in a few days. Either i'm closing my account, or I'm getting with a rakeback affiliate. Either way, he's getting zero. What full tilt needs to decide is if they also want to get zero or not. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Sounds like Big D got told by "Edouard" and "Jose". <snicker>Anyway, the use of the word "luck" is kind of funny. This situation makes me think of a guy hitting on the same girl over and over and she keeps saying "no". Finally, she say "yes", if only to get the guy to just STOP ALREADY. I guess you could call this whole thing "mercy rakeback"?Or maybe rape. Link to post Share on other sites
FCP Bob 1,311 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 And frankly, I Don't care what's fair to some random banner guy. Even if what they say is true, and I'm tied into another affiliate ( which I think is a lie, for the record, as I remember going straight to the site). That guy is about to get zero of my rakeback in a few days. Either i'm closing my account, or I'm getting with a rakeback affiliate. Either way, he's getting zero. What full tilt needs to decide is if they also want to get zero or not.Being linked to an affiliate can be very stealthy.One day you click a link on a site that takes you to Full Tilt's website, you don't download the software or join but a cookie has been placed on your system.A few weeks later you download the software after going directly to the Full Tilt website and create the account and presto that affiliate has you for life because of that cookie. Or you read about a bonus code and you enter it and again you're now linked to an affiliate.The whole affiliate game for a site like Full Tilt that spends so much money on advertising themselves is a horrible mess. Most affiliates and especially the rakeback ones for a site like Full Tilt are leeches that aren't really bringing any value to the site since every regular poker player knows about Full Tilt so it's not like the affiliate is exposing players to new information.Affiliates for smaller sites that people don't know about or whose sites aren't aimed at poker players so they are exposing new people to Full Tilt aren't included in my leech comment.Poker Stars was soooooo smart to not pay their affiliates a cut of the lifetime rake but instead a lump sum payment. That allows them to treat all their players equally so that nobody is going to get pissed off that somebody else has a better deal. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Poker Stars was soooooo smart to not pay their affiliates a cut of the lifetime rake but instead a lump sum payment. That allows them to treat all their players equally so that nobody is going to get pissed off that somebody else has a better deal.Well, don't worry, Bob, I'll be switching to stars full time soon enough, and shutting down my FTP account. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 another round. >> Thank you for contacting Full Tilt Poker Support.>> Sorry for the misunderstood in the previous e-mail, as your account been linked to an affiliate that is not offering you rakeback, we cannot put your name forward to receive rakeback from Rakebackpros.>> We have placed you on an alternative list for upcoming promotions as compensation.>> Thanks in advance for your cooperation. If you have any other questions, please feel free to email us. We're always here to help.>> Regards,>> Jose> Full Tilt Poker SupportEither they are lying and can't keep their lies straight, or they are really incompetent.here is my response.You misunderstood me completely, yet again. I do not care about "upcoming promotions" your site is not worth playing on without rakeback. I cannot possibly be linked to an affiliate, and even if I am, that affiliate, as of monday, is about to make zero dollars off me. Either because you have attached my account to a rakeback affiliate, or because I have closed my account. The only decision you need to make is if you want to make zero off my account also. From your reply, I take it you obviously don't care about my business, I will give you till monday, as I said, to change your mind. I suggest maybe forwarding my email correspondence to your boss, because obviously the people at your level are unwilling or unable to help Link to post Share on other sites
Ouch-8s 4 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Being linked to an affiliate can be very stealthy.One day you click a link on a site that takes you to Full Tilt's website, you don't download the software or join but a cookie has been placed on your system.A few weeks later you download the software after going directly to the Full Tilt website and create the account and presto that affiliate has you for life because of that cookie. Or you read about a bonus code and you enter it and again you're now linked to an affiliate.I did not know that. Link to post Share on other sites
rdtedm 0 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 So if I initially signed up under full tilt with a bonus code that matched my initial deposit, I most likely can't do this? I'm pretty sure the promo was thru the actual FTP site.. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 So if I initially signed up under full tilt with a bonus code that matched my initial deposit, I most likely can't do this? I'm pretty sure the promo was thru the actual FTP site..I don't remember FTP ever using any kind of promo code, you always just got the deposit bonus automatically. Link to post Share on other sites
SilentButDeadly3 0 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Sigh @ this thread and jealous of OP so much Link to post Share on other sites
dlingdling 0 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 i also did this 2 months ago except i didnt send an email.. i just signed up.... recieved about 1k in rakeback since. please work. Link to post Share on other sites
rdtedm 0 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 I don't remember FTP ever using any kind of promo code, you always just got the deposit bonus automatically.So I should be eligible then? Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,352 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 A guy at 2 + 2 said, that if I had ever clicked a banner, and then signed up for full tilt at some later date, not through the banner link, than I am no longer eligible for rakeback, as the cookie was sent to full tilt, and I am attached to that banner guy's affiliate. ( this must be why all rakeback people tell you to clean out your browser cookies before dling the software.) This must be the case with me, because I never signed up through any banner or promotion program, I just went to their site and signed up so I could watch like Ivey play. What a rube I am But if this is true, then I am absolutely disgusted. There is no way some random banner guy should be getting rake back benefits from me. What a sleazy way to run a business. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 A guy at 2 + 2 said, that if I had ever clicked a banner, and then signed up for full tilt at some later date, not through the banner link, than I am no longer eligible for rakeback, as the cookie was sent to full tilt, and I am attached to that banner guy's affiliate. ( this must be why all rakeback people tell you to clean out your browser cookies before dling the software.) This must be the case with me, because I never signed up through any banner or promotion program, I just went to their site and signed up so I could watch like Ivey play. What a rube I am But if this is true, then I am absolutely disgusted. There is no way some random banner guy should be getting rake back benefits from me. What a sleazy way to run a business.That's what we were trying to tell you.That's what I meant when I said it was easy for it to happen on accident, and then Bob explained it better. Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 So I should be eligible then?You'd have to ask them. Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted June 19, 2008 Share Posted June 19, 2008 Says the rakeback shill.And it's easy to see why they would lie about it, because they don't want to ship 1/3rd of my rake away.Shocker, BigD acting like a douche.Well, don't worry, Bob, I'll be switching to stars full time soon enough, and shutting down my FTP account.Way to ignore the entire post that is basically proving every single one of your points wrong, and reply to the last paragraph about Stars.Full Tilt doesn't owe you rakeback. I don't complain when I don't get comped at the Rio and somebody else does. That's the way the world works. If you don't like the system then please, for the love of God, close your account and switch to Stars already. I have no idea why you are so hostile or what you think your beligerant e mails to Tilt is going to accomplish, but I'd say the fact that they haven't budged in the slightest may be giving you a pretty big hint. Link to post Share on other sites
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