Ricer98 0 Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 As title states, villian is very aggro. He was raising the BTN about 98% of the time and never folding to any of my 3 bets, not once. It seemed like everytime I slowed down in a hand he would come out firing. Also, everytime the board had ran out with a 4 card straight he had made a pot sized bet representing, or actually holding, the straight; I folded the first few times and raised on a flush draw the last, never had a strong enough hand to look him up. Below are some set up hands to give an idea of his play.Hand 1 - villians calls very light preflop and gives me no credit on the flopUltimateBet $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 playersThe Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.comBTN/SB: $38.75Hero (BB): $50.00Pre Flop: Hero is BB with Qh QcBTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, BTN/SB calls $3Flop: ($9.00) 4d Jd 8h (2 players)Hero bets $7.25, BTN/SB raises to $30.75, Hero raises to $45.50 all in, BTN/SB calls $3.50 all inTurn: ($77.50) 8d (2 players - 2 are all in)River: ($77.50) 6s (2 players - 2 are all in)Spoiler: Final Pot: $77.50BTN/SB shows Qs 8s (three eights)Hero shows Qh Qc (two pair, queens and eights)BTN/SB wins $77.00(Rake: $0.50)Hand 2 - again, shows the type of weak hands villian is playing and aggression when I show any weaknessUltimateBet $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 playersThe Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.comBB: $84.55Hero (BTN/SB): $56.10Pre Flop: Hero is BTN/SB with Kd 8dHero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1Flop: ($3.00) Th As Kc (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB calls $2Turn: ($7.00) Ac (2 players)BB checks, Hero checksRiver: ($7.00) 2s (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB raises to $15, Hero calls $10Spoiler: Final Pot: $37.00BB shows 6h Qh (a pair of aces)Hero shows Kd 8d (two pair, aces and kings)Hero wins $36.50(Rake: $0.50)Hand 3 - villian mixes it up and plays a hand passively, really shows the junk he will play in a 3 bet potUltimateBet $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 playersThe Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.comBTN/SB: $52.35Hero (BB): $85.95Pre Flop: Hero is BB with Jh JsBTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, BTN/SB calls $3Flop: ($9.00) Kh 5d Qs (2 players)Hero bets $5, BTN/SB calls $5Turn: ($19.00) Qc (2 players)Hero checks, BTN/SB checksRiver: ($19.00) 7c (2 players)Hero checks, BTN/SB checksSpoiler: Final Pot: $19.00BTN/SB mucks 5c 2sHero shows Jh Js (two pair, queens and jacks)Hero wins $18.50(Rake: $0.50)Hand 4 - this occured immediately before the hand in question, A8 sooooted OOP in a 4 bet pot, thats winning pokerUltimateBet $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 playersThe Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.comBB: $48.20Hero (BTN/SB): $160.20Pre Flop: Hero is BTN/SB with Kd KcHero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $4.50, Hero raises to $14.50, BB calls $10Flop: ($29.00) Qh 2h 9c (2 players)BB bets $29, Hero raises to $58, BB calls $4.70 all inTurn: ($96.40) 4s (2 players - 1 is all in)River: ($96.40) 5h (2 players - 1 is all in)Spoiler: Final Pot: $96.40BB shows 8h Ah (flush, ace high)Hero shows Kd Kc (a pair of kings)BB wins $95.90(Rake: $0.50)Those are the major hands up til this point, a few other bigger pots are basically the same kind of stuff seen above. One other thing about this villian was that he was making a lot of insta calls and insta bets. In Hand 1 I literally hit enter on the bet and his raise was in the middle, hand 4 he insta called PF and insta bet pot on the flop.UltimateBet $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 playersThe Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.comBTN/SB: $95.90Hero (BB): $112.00Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 9c 9dBTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, BTN/SB calls $3Flop: ($9.00) 6h 5c Js (2 players)Hero bets $6, BTN/SB calls $6Turn: ($21.00) 7d (2 players)Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $15, Hero raises to $50, BTN/SB raises to $85.40 all in, Hero calls $35.40Preflop is standard given the villian's BTN play. Once he calls the flop, I put him on any pair on the board, 77-88, TT, maybe 22-44, and straight draws; probably even a few gut shots. I felt there was also a small chance he could be floating with overs, he had done this a couple other times but not yet in a 3 bet pot. Then there is always the chance he slow played a big pair preflop and I'm crushed.Since I was ahead of most of his range and given his aggressive tendancies I check the turn to see if he will bite; he abliges very quickly. I'm kind of unsure here, but I think raising is the best play? Something like raise > fold > call. There are alot of ugly river cards and villian is likely to continue to bluff if I just call so I don't really like it being OOP. At the same time being 200bb's deep makes getting it in with essentially 2nd pair and a gutter ball pretty marginal.Maybe it was hang over tilt from him rivering a flush against my KK but I didn't think I could fold to his RR after seing him shove 2nd pair early in the match. Again, thoughts on this?Any thoughts or insights on the entire hand are appreciated. I've only been playing HU for about a week now and am still unsure about some spots like this. For 100bb's and the flow of the match I probably brush it off if hes got a better hand; this deep I'm really unsure if I should be getting it in this light. Right now I do and don't like my play here, can't really make a decision. Link to post Share on other sites
drcossack 0 Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 UltimateBet $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 playersThe Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.comBTN/SB: $95.90Hero (BB): $112.00Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 9c 9dBTN/SB raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, BTN/SB calls $3Flop: ($9.00) 6h 5c Js (2 players)Hero bets $6, BTN/SB calls $6Turn: ($21.00) 7d (2 players)Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $15, Hero raises to $50, BTN/SB raises to $85.40 all in, Hero calls $35.40Preflop is standard given the villian's BTN play. Once he calls the flop, I put him on any pair on the board, 77-88, TT, maybe 22-44, and straight draws; probably even a few gut shots. I felt there was also a small chance he could be floating with overs, he had done this a couple other times but not yet in a 3 bet pot. Then there is always the chance he slow played a big pair preflop and I'm crushed.Since I was ahead of most of his range and given his aggressive tendancies I check the turn to see if he will bite; he abliges very quickly. I'm kind of unsure here, but I think raising is the best play? Something like raise > fold > call. There are alot of ugly river cards and villian is likely to continue to bluff if I just call so I don't really like it being OOP. At the same time being 200bb's deep makes getting it in with essentially 2nd pair and a gutter ball pretty marginal.Maybe it was hang over tilt from him rivering a flush against my KK but I didn't think I could fold to his RR after seing him shove 2nd pair early in the match. Again, thoughts on this?Any thoughts or insights on the entire hand are appreciated. I've only been playing HU for about a week now and am still unsure about some spots like this. For 100bb's and the flow of the match I probably brush it off if hes got a better hand; this deep I'm really unsure if I should be getting it in this light. Right now I do and don't like my play here, can't really make a decision.Kinda late, this won't be a detailed reply.Looks good. I think betting the turn is better - 15-18 maybe? Link to post Share on other sites
Moneyball16 0 Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 If hes calling your 3-bets so light I would be 3-betting him larger preflop. I dont think there is a problem with c/c the turn. I know there are alot of overcards that could come on the river but they arent gonna hit him that often and our hand isnt as vulnerable as it looks. I think c/r is pretty gross and think the turn should be between betting and c/c tbh. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 I am with Moneyball call this one and let him keep bluffing if he is, a check raise is going to fold all the hands you beat and he will push any hands that crush you... Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan 1 Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 regardless of if he is calling u light, start 3betting an extra bb pf, or two. def make it at least $5 or 5.25-5.5 pf when 3betting...it be similar to 3betting from 150 to 500-550 at 25/50.im not a fan of your turn play...but it's hard to say cuz this is one of those leveling things. if he is a thinking player, he been playing so crazy to induce you doing something like you did with a mediocre hand..on the other hand al ot of his play is horrible and just looks like a gambling type guy.personally i think you should check/call the turn as a opposed to c/r...he is continuing with his bluffs (should say range here actually) 100%, so if he is bluffing, let him...c/r does nothing but either get the money in real bad, or make him fold his bluffs...also, another line is to bet/fold cause you are keeping the initiative and he doesn't seem to just bluff/raise in these three bet pots cause you havent' seemingly given him the chance...if you bet and he shoves, i'd be more inclined to fold there just cause i'd expect him late ron in the match to have a big hand as opposed to air...however, that turn will give him a lot of pair + str8 draws as well...so meh..it's a tough spot..but if we check, i'd def call first as he is betting with 100% of his range and his range is not polarized to a Jx or set, so you can call down and expect to show a profit.- Jordan Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan 1 Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 another thing ppl do too much hu, in 3bet pots oop is bet out wayyy to much, which in turn polarizes your hand range...it's good to 3bet, and follow thru..but u also need to know when to check...not just when you miss, but also when you flop hard...you want your opponent to not know where you are at when you bet a flop oop in 3bet pot, or check...a good way to tell this is if your flop agg is a lot higher than your turn and riv, but more importantly is not only 3betting or 4betting solid hands...so when you 3bet, keep in mind that check/folding when you miss is never bad...as when you hit and check, you will start to induce, and can move on from there...not to mention it gives you an option to stack off lighter in matches cuz u can repolairze your opponents range based upon how you have been playing in 3bet pots and he has.this gets into a lot of upper level thinking which u probably aren't ready for, as i wasn't for a long time...and honestly have just been coming to more realizations about hu, and specifically my hu game in the last month or so.hope some of this helps.- Jordan Link to post Share on other sites
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