FCP Bob 1,311 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I'm pretty worried about Kadri/Franson being unsigned, the money being far off, and missing camp. I was really worried about Subban as well. Those worries turned out to be unfounded, but just because it was fine in one situation doesn't mean it will in another. Both those guys are important and risky parts to our team. The potential for bad feelings and/or a late start to camp are pretty worrisome. Frankly, I'm still surprised that Subban played the way he did last year on the deal that he did - that no one offer sheeted him (which is collusion, of course), and that he was able to be so awesome despite starting late and playing on a deal paying him a fraction of his market price. The idea of the second deal being under RFA is to protect the team's right to a player and maybe give them a small discount - not to force a player into singing for whatever the team wants, at less than half of market value. Your concept of what a market price is is pretty flawed. There are more reasons than just collusion that offer sheets aren't common. Something that I almost never hear mentioned is that in order to actually get a player the team signing that player to an offer sheet has to value that player far far far more than their current team. They not only have to be willing to pay that player a lot more money than the current team is but they have to be willing to give up a lot of value on compensatory draft picks. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Your concept of what a market price is is pretty flawed. There are more reasons than just collusion that offer sheets aren't common. Something that I almost never hear mentioned is that in order to actually get a player the team signing that player to an offer sheet has to value that player far far far more than their current team. They not only have to be willing to pay that player a lot more money than the current team is but they have to be willing to give up a lot of value on compensatory draft picks. How is it flawed? Rules that retrict potential purchasers to one is not a market, by definition. Remove that restriction, and what does Subban get paid? That's the market price. His actual offers and pay were much lss than that, no? You're right though, I'm sure no team would've given up a couple high picks to have Subban under contract for $5M/year for 3 years, which I think it is reasonably to think Subban would have agreed to (since it effectively values his one free agent year at $9M, while leaving him free to sign long-term. That's assuming that Subban and a new team couldn't have agreed on a much bigger, longer deal, which both parties probably would have preferred and wouldn't have resulted in any additional compensation to Montreal. Link to post Share on other sites
MapleLeafpoker 1,462 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Frankly, I'm still surprised that Subban played the way he did last year on the deal that he did - that no one offer sheeted him (which is collusion, of course), and that he was able to be so awesome despite starting late and playing on a deal paying him a fraction of his market price. The idea of the second deal being under RFA is to protect the team's right to a player and maybe give them a small discount - not to force a player into singing for whatever the team wants, at less than half of market value. Are you trying to say your suprised that he took that deal, or that he played well after signing that deal? It sounds like you saying your surprised he managed to play that well....which is a little ridiculous, cause whats he supposed to do, sulk that he didnt get 5miilion and play like crap? Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Are you trying to say your suprised that he took that deal, or that he played well after signing that deal? It sounds like you saying your surprised he managed to play that well....which is a little ridiculous, cause whats he supposed to do, sulk that he didnt get 5miilion and play like crap? All of the above. In order from 'most surprising' to 'least surprising' - he took the deal - he played well despite missing camp - he didn't sulk Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 In light of recent events, this thread is a very good read... Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Read the replies. They're like ambulance chasers lol At least they did ask for permission. Link to post Share on other sites
pezeveng 207 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 https://twitter.com/...519478333554690 Read the replies. They're like ambulance chasers lol At least they did ask for permission. I would tweet please send $1000 to my paypal if you would like to use this pic! Link to post Share on other sites
serge 904 Posted March 5, 2015 Author Share Posted March 5, 2015 Lot of media are buffoons..Not just in Toronto Link to post Share on other sites
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