Agent 008

Why is calling better than shipping? If he is on a draw the money is more likely to go in on the turn.

Call the turn, looking to potentially fold the river if 7 or 8 drops and he ships.

$100,000 Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 9 playersDeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History ConverterSB: t17056 85.28 BBsBB: t18965 94.83 BBsUTG: t10096 50.48 BBsUTG+1: t4933 24.66 BBsUTG+2: t4471 22.36 BBsMP1: t12946 64.73 BBsHero (MP2): t6695 33.48 BBsCO: t2382 11.91 BBsBTN: t8242 41.21 BBsPre Flop: (t300) Hero is MP2 with A K4 folds, Hero raises to t400, 2 folds, SB calls t300, BB calls t200Flop: (t1200) K 7 6(3 players)SB bets t600, BB folds, Hero calls t600Turn: (t2400) Q(2 players)SB bets t2400Hero ?

You were in the small blind, sounds like the right move to me.

Protip: the action that we see preflop, on the flop, on the turn and on the river all give us extra information. I suppose you're right. Next time I'll only play suited aces, and I'll shove them preflop. 1). 150bb is considered a pretty deep stack where I live. What kind of stacks do you guys play with?!2). You've got to be kidding me.

But what hands out of that range will he call you with that you can beat?I think AK, maybe KQ. J7 for a tie (he was in the bb, after all).If you think he'd be calling you with most of the hands you listed, then sure, shoving is significantly better than calling.

Sure. But it'll also give me a better chance at defining the strength of his hand - letting me make more appropriate plays for value or cutting my losses if I am likely to be beat. I think, with my style of play against those guys, I'd win more chips on average by calling rather than shoving. But it does seem marginal to me.

You mean on the flop after his check-raise?I have replied to that in one of the posts above, and why I don't like that play in this situation.To sum it up, I think against that kind of opponent we are going to make him fold most of the hands that we are beating, and call us with any hand that beats ours.A 3-outer that he may have does not concern me very much either.So I don't see what the real benefit of shoving there is.

Fix'd.But really, deepstack post-flop play is all about situations like that. Even if you flop the nuts, you are in a "stupid situation" trying to get full value.

I don't agree with this. I have explained why I think calling in this situation is worse than folding.The reason why I made this thread is because my first reaction was to call it as well, but the more I think about it, the more I get convinced that folding in that situation was correct - if my assumptions about my opponent are true:1). He is not suicidal.2). He assumes that I am not suicidal.

I agree, that wasn't the best play preflop for a SnG, but my losses would have been minimal had I only had a marginal hand post-flop and found that I couldn't outplay my opponent.Anyway, that's somewhat beside the point of this thread.

Anyway.When I was in the hand, I had this going through my head:1). He has seen me call his check-raise on the flop, and check-call a big turn bet of his. He has to give me credit for a strong hand.2). There is no reason why he would expect me to fold to his river bet. I was pretty confident he expected me to call.Now, what kind of hands could he be making such a move? AK, two pair, or a set.What else do we know? He just called my raise on the bb. From what I have seen, the average player in those SnGs tends to play AK or KK aggressively preflop. It is possible that he limped with one of those

Well, that is the reason I raised.Normally, I play SnGs much tighter, but this table seemed reasonably tight in the beginning so I figured there was a good chance I would be deep-stack heads-up in position. Which is an ideal situation for my type of play. I disagree.Imagine, that the same thing happens, but after he check-raises you, you somehow get a glimpse of his cards, and see that he has Kx.Would you go all-in in this situation?Now imagine the same thing happens again, but when you look at his hand, you see that he has you beat - he has kings up, or a set. You most definitely are not shov

You're in a 5$ 9-handed 1500 chip SnG, it is one of the first few hands, so you know little about the players but you know the opposition is generally weak at this hour on these tables.You get dealt 7 J in late position, everyone folds to you, and you make it 30 (the blinds are 5/10).Everyone folds, and BB calls with 1500 chips in front of him. You also had 1500 chips prior to the start of the hand.Flop comes K 7 J :club:He checks, you bet 40.He raises to 185, you call.Turn comes 5 , he bets 435, and you call.River comes 2 , and he is all-in for 850. You have 850 left.What do you do?a ). C

So... Now what happens?

*facepalm*Where did I once say that 20bb is deepstacked? Where did I say that raising "for information" with that stack was a viable option? Where did I fold my KK to the shove?Either way, the guy on the BB had Q2. Off suit.

I don't think BB has a 6. I'm saying he *could* have a 6. He was in the big blind after all.If I thought I had played it well, I wouldn't have made this thread and wouldn't have bothered explaining myself. But so far, I have heard zero justification for playing it fast on the flop and turn, while I have explained my reasoning for playing the hand meekly. Yes, all my chips were going in either way, but if I play it meekly at least some of their chips are going in as well even if BBs hand is as bad as some overcards.And whoever said raising the turn for information is stupid... You don't play de

It's either playing this hand, or the next hand.Shove.

So?The money goes in either way. The outcome of the hand is not changed by me betting or by me not betting.If I let them aggress, I also get a chance to pick some money up from a guy who's on a stone cold bluff.Also, what part of "I'd raise for information if I had a big enough stack" did you guys not understand?

But as I said: if they missed the flop completely, which was the most likely option, they would probably fold to my aggression.There is very little danger in giving them a free card.Me being the original raiser, it is much more likely that I missed the flop and that BB hit the flop. Which means that BB is almost guaranteed to fire a bullet if I give him some space.If I'm behind, I lose anyway. If I'm ahead, I make more money by collecting bullets.I personally see more reasons to not be aggressive on the flop than to be aggressive.

I am a much better deepstack player than I am a shortstack player. With deep stacks, this paranoia has been very healthy for me so far.I can see how I probably was overthinking this considering the size of my stack, especially since the players I was up against didn't look good or thinking (I wasn't on the table long enough to know anything else but that).But my reasoning aside, do you think I made the right play in the end? Or I should've shoved before that, or maybe have done something completely different?

Exactly. It's just a thought that crossed my mind naturally, having played really deepstacked for hours just prior to that hand. That's why I didn't raise, and I did end up putting all my chips in, but when I was pretty confident I was ahead. It looked like a bluff on the river, so had I shoved on the turn I would've taken my opponent's play away from him if he had nothing. The blinds were going to start at 300/600/0 on day 2, for 45 minutes. Had I won a small pot and had 13-15k on day 2, I would've felt ok. I can play with that.If I had lost a small pot and had 6-7k left, I am shortstacked, i

No, I checked the flop because I knew that if I was good on the flop with KK, I was most likely good on the river. The risk of giving away free cards is minimal. As far as I am concerned, there is no reason to make the pot bigger as this is a marginal situation and I'd rather play a small pot. BB could easily have a 6 in his hand. If he does have a 6, however, it is very likely that he would only bet on the river (hoping that I would bluff on the turn), as it is unlikely that I have any of that flop.Had the flop not been a "hit or miss" one, I'd most definitely play the flop aggressively.

I was playing a 2-day deepstack tournament the other day, and here is the hand I had at the very end of day 1.Blinds were 250/500 no ante, and I just got transferred to this new table with around 10'000 chips. 1 guy went out after a few hands, and we were left 6 handed.I get delt KK in mid position, and am the first to enter the pot by raising to 1250. The only callers are small and big blinds. Both of them have around 20'000.3750 in the pot, I'm left with 8750.Flop comes 6h 6d 2c.Checks around to me, I check - with pocket Kings, I know that the risk of giving them free cards is minimal, and t

I suppose you've got to abstract yourself from the value of the chips, and just play your game.