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Some guys and are having a debate on whether it is acceptable to buyin short to a NL game. In my opinion I think its a bad poker decsion and the first one you make prior to playing. What do you guys think. Can you give any advantages to buying in short? I would like to restrict this to 5/10 NL and down, high stakes is a different story.

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Some guys and are having a debate on whether it is acceptable to buyin short to a NL game. In my opinion I think its a bad poker decsion and the first one you make prior to playing. What do you guys think. Can you give any advantages to buying in short? I would like to restrict this to 5/10 NL and down, high stakes is a different story.
Define buying in short then at a $1000 buy in game.$500?$300?$200?I'd say $200 would be the least amount you can buy in for. Also, a lot depends on how you play...avg pot size, six max or full ring, how many are seeing flops, etc...Buying short I think would work better in semi-loose games with decent avg pots (like 20bb) and you are willing to gamble for your stack with 88+ and hands like KQ/AJ.Otherwise, I buy in full and play my normal game. If you suck at playing postflop, buy in short. If you want to play preflop poker and turn the cash game into more of a tournament, buy in short and start re-raising all in with TT.- Jordan
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I would define buying in short as 50% of less of the max buyin.so in a 1000 dollar max buyin then $500 or I would consider short. I pesonally cant see a reason to buyin short. Its NL, I want maximum value if I get a hand and go all in.Why play a short stack? What adavantages to you gain over buying in for the max buyin?

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I would define buying in short as 50% of less of the max buyin.so in a 1000 dollar max buyin then $500 or I would consider short. I pesonally cant see a reason to buyin short. Its NL, I want maximum value if I get a hand and go all in.Why play a short stack? What adavantages to you gain over buying in for the max buyin?
It's the general consensus that people who buy in short at low limit games are bad. Thus, they get very loose calls. So you could technically 15 table w/ a min buy in (10% of max?) and push premium hands and get loose calls. It's not really playing poker IMO, but it's probably profitable.
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First, I'll assume youre referring almost exclusively to online play, where 100 BB's is typically the max, opposed to live games where the cap might be as low as 40 or no cap at all.Addressing a 100 bb max game, and what short constitutes, 50 bb's is what i would consider short if everybody had about what they started with. If several players have busted and/or rebought, short might be higher.I have found that what I buy in for depends heavily upon the demeanor of the table. A general rule I follow is the more people, the more money. More people usually means tighter play, which means I will be playing less hands. The hands that I play for big pots will be fairly good, and I will want to get as many chips in the middle as possible.In a short handed game, play will be looser, and I will be playing more pots especially in later position with more mediocre hands. Lets, for example say that in a 6max game UTG folds and then 2 limp, and I raise the button with a QJo. Flop comes Q high with a flush draw. In this situation, I have no problem getting all my chips in the middle if the action plays out right. Not only are people looser to begin with, but they are more apt to make loose agressive (almost always incorrect) plays against me, such as moving me in with a semibluff or even a pure bluff, since my stack is shorter, and I pose less of a threat to their stack should they be called.A side note: When playing a shortstack, it should be obvious that for the same reasons people double me up with my marginal hands, running weak semibluffs (with less than 8 definite outs) and pure bluffs are much less effective .

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I would define buying in short as 50% of less of the max buyin.so in a 1000 dollar max buyin then $500 or I would consider short. I pesonally cant see a reason to buyin short. Its NL, I want maximum value if I get a hand and go all in.Why play a short stack? What adavantages to you gain over buying in for the max buyin?
I don't know..I dont play short.- Jordan
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Some guys and are having a debate on whether it is acceptable to buyin short to a NL game. In my opinion I think its a bad poker decsion and the first one you make prior to playing. What do you guys think. Can you give any advantages to buying in short? I would like to restrict this to 5/10 NL and down, high stakes is a different story.
The optimal situation is when everyone is really deep and the preflop action is larger than the blinds would imply. People pick an opening raise as both a mutiple of the blind and as fraction of the relevent stack sizes. For instance, if we're playing 1/2 with $1000 stacks and someone raises to $6, the implied odds are really large if he'll go far with an unimproved big pair. So the PFR can exercise some caution with his big pair (and lay it down sometimes) or he can raise more to destroy his opponents implied odds. It's not at all uncommon for the standard opener to go up to $20 or more under these conditions. So, clearly if we sneak in there with a $100 stack, our opponents are making huge errors preflop against our stack size.Sklansky and Miller think a short buy is great. I find the argument less compelling in games with a restricted buy-in, but the same effect is present to a lesser degree.There's an opportunity cost, in that we don't have a chance to ouplay our opponents on the later streets. I think there's more money in applying my skills postflop, but it really depends on our relative abilities. Besides that, proper play with a short stack in a cash game is extremely boring. I don't play poker just for the money.
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If your postflop game is bad relative to the rest of the players at the table, then buying in short is a way to play against them and still potentially be +EV. Reason being, most of your decisions are either going to be push or fold, either preflop or on the flop. You don't offer better opponents implied odds, and you don't give them very much room to outplay you. You basically make the game mostly about raw preflop hand strength and direct odds.If you find yourself in a situation where buying in short makes sense because of the above, it is usually more profitable to just find another game.

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If you find yourself in a situation where buying in short makes sense because of the above, it is usually more profitable to just find another game.
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buying in short doesnt necessarily mean they're bad plyaers, just short on cash and not willing to blow it on 1 buy in, i used to buyin 50 at 1/2, n i did fine

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