8/16 - 1/2 kill making a move

[SomethingWicked 0]

live game 8-16 w/half kill (12-24) SW - SB, 9 9 UTG - Aggressive. MP1 - Loose (also a friend) MP2- ROCK. Utg - raise , fold to mp1 call, mp2 call, bb-folds, sw call. Flop: 10 J 6 Sw- check, utg bet, mp1 raise, mp2 reraise, sw call, utg call, mp1 call. Turn: 8 Sw- bet, utg fold, mp1 fold, mp2 shows J A fold.I set this hand up to make the move on the turn after the flop when I knew mp2 would 3bet top pair top kicker. Just, something to consider...lots of ppl have been telling me how they've stopped playing mid pockets from the small blind if its 3 bet to them on the flop. Even after calling 2 or 3 bets preflop. Comments? Should I make this move? How often do you make moves, and at what limit?

[Smasharoo 0]

Not EV.Not close.Flop call sucks.good luck

[SomethingWicked 0]

Thanks smash knew I could count on you.

[Actuary 3]

I'm confused.I assume you mean once Mp2 3-bet, you knew he has TPTK ?You gave him 1 of 3 hands? Because a ROCK won't call a raise preflop with AJo.ROCK aslso doesn't describe someone who folds TPTK to your donk bet.Dumb ROCK or TIGHT/super weak maybe!But that aside.Flop call sucked.And don't you have better FE by c/r the turn, hoping it gets to the ROCK to bet first?Smash is more concise.Flop call suck.

[SomethingWicked 0]

I'm confused.I assume you mean once Mp2 3-bet, you knew he has TPTK ?You gave him 1 of 3 hands? Because a ROCK won't call a raise preflop with AJo.ROCK aslso doesn't describe someone who folds TPTK to your donk bet.Dumb ROCK or TIGHT/super weak maybe!But that aside.Flop call sucked.And don't you have better FE by c/r the turn, hoping it gets to the ROCK to bet first?Smash is more concise.Flop call suck.

Actuary, I don't want to check raise this turn. Its too suspect. Even a tight player is going to call down with that hand. This bet is totally fishy, it reaks of turned set. I'm not going to deny my flop call sucks. It sucks 98% of the time to even play this had with a raise in front of you and these callers unless you flop top set. I was sure, mp2 has only top pair, and 3-bet to find out if utg hit a set and try to "get out" any flush draw. I bet and sacraficed value, which completely changed the action of this hand and now even this tight player doesn't want to call to a made hand. After all, who calls 3 cold and leads on the blank turn? a set perhaps? If I check raise, its one more bet this players put into a big pot and is likely to check call a river. I wasn't saying its "a great play" or anything just wanted constructive conversation on making moves in limit hold em...

[pokerplayer24 0]

Fold the flop. You called 3 bets cold back to you on that flop with an underpair. And the flop got 3 bet by a rock. More often its going to be JJ or 1010 rather then AJs. As is you got lucky to have him fold Ajs as rather then a rock hes more likely a donk to fold tptk in whats now a big heads up pot.

[SomethingWicked 0]

Yay... someone's listening. He should not fold, shit he shouldn't call he should raise, so I can play back ;-)

[Actuary 3]

fishy looking yes.A flopped set caps that flop all day for huge valueA turned set?Who calls 3! cold with pocket 8's.uh... nevermind. I've done worse. Edit: no I haven'tIt's ok.weak ROCK, so it worked.Against that guy, do that with32 offSave you strong starting hands for better playsThe ROCK has TT/JJ or he's not a pussy folding TPTK, and you waste to much $$$oh, and you don't have to flop TOP SET for 99 to be worth playing.67T, A92, T93, 278 with BDFD... anyway...

[SomethingWicked 0]

hehehe lighten up I know I dont need top set for pocket 9's. But I like to keep ya on your toes.Edit: I also enjoy it when I get called a fish.

[Actuary 3]

also..this is a good example for those that rely too much on "I'm raisng partially for information" To the extent you "burned ROCK by letting him 3-bet and then took the pot away from everyone", well, I think you got really lucky that all 3 folded, not just the ROCK.I imagine this group suffers a little from "well, ROCK's 3-bet told everyone TPTK or Two Pair or Set of 6's (I'll say rock 3-bets other sets preflop) so, now SW playing back must mean he can beat TwoPair. We have to fold."I hate using information.Ignorance is bliss.

[SomethingWicked 0]

you play to much online! :-) Edit: What I liked about it is that the others folds influenced mp2 enough to dump. I expected a raise from him and was ready to play at him again. Which really makes you think I'm a maniac, but I go with my read all day long.

[Actuary 3]

you play to much online! :-)

lolWhat do you mean?

[SomethingWicked 0]

Just that you get so much more information to use in a live game. I could not make this work online. I do think I was lucky to get him to fold. But I was damn sure my bet would force the others out and he was going to have a hell of time deciding what to do. (Me being a fish and all)

[RISEorFall 0]

Yay... someone's listening. He should not fold, censored he shouldn't call he should raise, so I can play back ;-)

And throw more money away that I don't want! I love trying to get rocks to fold cause it works 1 in 2348 times and I look like a genius! Where do you play? Is there an open seat?

[Smasharoo 0]

Just that you get so much more information to use in a live game.Most losing players think that.They are, of course, wrong.This hand never happened, kids. The guy three-bets the flop, then not only folds, but tables TPTK for no particular reason, and the OTHER two players who called three bets on the flop fold getting 8 to 1 on the turn call because none of them has better than 8 to 1 draw.Preposeterous.I seriously doubt OP has even ever seen the inside of a casino.good luck.

[Actuary 3]

Smash,don't leave again.SW, I won't go that far..but you are playing horrible players, at the least!

[mrdannyg 274]

Just that you get so much more information to use in a live game.  I could not make this work online. I do think I was lucky to get him to fold. But I was damn sure my bet would force the others out and he was going to have a hell of time deciding what to do. (Me being a fish and all)

this is a significant mistake. online you have far more information than you do at a live game, and the information is less deceptive. for instance the drunk guy might actually be playing tight but talking loudly. but the guy with the 22% VPIP is playing 22% of hands voluntarily.even if you don't have Poker Tracker (and you should), there is far more information available online than there is available at a casino.