Pl 0 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 You are 19th in chipcount with 27 player left in a 556 entery limit hold'em tournament. Since the buy-in is small ($5) the pay out is significant only for a top 7 finish. Finishing 25th or 10th doesnt matter to you. Blinds are 4k/2k with a 250 chips ante and your delt pocket kings in late/mid position(UTG-2) with 8900 chips in front of you on a full ten handed table. There are two big stacked early postion limpers ahead. You have have noticed, in the about 10 hands since arriving at the table, that they have both have been involved in a lot of pots and have on numerous occations limped with lesser hands trying to see a cheap flop. Likley holdings are: ace rag, two paint cards or small pocket pairs(<7) . You are pretty sure both will call you if you decide to raise. Behind in cut off and at the button are two semingly tight player with somewhat below average stacks (both have you covered by about a big blind or so). Neither have entered a pot out of the blinds since you sat down. But both might be tempted to see a cheap family flop in position, even though that would mean commiting 1/3 of their stack pre-flop. In the blinds are two short stacked players with about one big blind left in front of them after posting blinds. Both are pretty likley to fold anything but a monster to a raise as they are likely just trying to stay alive just to get a higher finish and a few extra dollars. In an unraised pot both will almost certainly see the flop trying to catch fire.If you bet you limit the field and build a pot but it will leave you with so few chips that you as are pot committed and there is no way you can bet anybody off the pot. If your kings hold up your likely to win about 32k chips putting you in contention (about 12th in chips with a somewhat over average amount). If you on the other hand just call you have the option of folding to an ace or a scary board on the flop as well as the potential to bet out all players who missed the flop completely. The pot size will at least be 20.5k pre-flop but with growing potential as the short stacked players are likely to go all in with any piece of the board on a ragged flop. On the other hand you do allow the blinds as well as any pocket pair to see the flop cheap. If you do opt to fold on the flop you would be so short stacked you be all in with in the next six hands.The ball is yours. What do you do? /PlPS. When put in this situation I thought it was an easy choice but I have been second guessing my decision to a point I don't really know what to believe. Is it an open and shut case or what is your take on it? Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 If your main goal is to win, push all in before the flop. If you want 1st you want to double up, not raise and fold to a scare card. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest XXEddie Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 ....would you fold KK with 2x the BB......maybe....MAYBE if I was REALLY drunk AND REALLY stoned...MAYBE Link to post Share on other sites
troll 0 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 You need to make a move if you are going to win, and pocket kings is almost the best thing you could have pre-flop, so bet the max amount and hope for the best Link to post Share on other sites
looshle 6 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 So you have roughly 2X the big blind, and are asking what you should do with pocket kings? You have 2 options:1) Go all in because... YOU HAVE POCKET KINGS2) Fold, and never play the game again Link to post Share on other sites
looshle 6 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 So you have roughly 2X the big blind, and are asking what you should do with pocket kings? You have 2 options:1) Go all in because... YOU HAVE POCKET KINGS2) Fold, and never play the game againAre you gonna fold and hope you get AA within the next 2 hands? You had limpers in front of you? GOOD. Get a big pot and quadruple up! If you really are playing for first, then this is the easiest decision you will ever have during a tourney. Seriously, why is this even a question?? Link to post Share on other sites
looshle 6 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 So you have roughly 2X the big blind, and are asking what you should do with pocket kings? You have 2 options:1) Go all in because... YOU HAVE POCKET KINGS2) Fold, and never play the game againAre you gonna fold and hope you get AA within the next 2 hands? You had limpers in front of you? GOOD. Get a big pot and quadruple up! If you really are playing for first, then this is the easiest decision you will ever have during a tourney. Seriously, why is this even a question?? Link to post Share on other sites
looshle 6 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 So you have roughly 2X the big blind, and are asking what you should do with pocket kings? You have 2 options:1) Go all in because... YOU HAVE POCKET KINGS2) Fold, and never play the game againAre you gonna fold and hope you get AA within the next 2 hands? You had limpers in front of you? GOOD. Get a big pot and quadruple up! If you really are playing for first, then this is the easiest decision you will ever have during a tourney. Seriously, why is this even a question?? Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 rofl!looshle, you're an ass Link to post Share on other sites
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