MovingIn 0 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Concrete reasons in the ____________ , genius. Link to post Share on other sites
RISEorFall 0 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 its stupid?ooohhh. now i get it. thanks for your genius insight Link to post Share on other sites
outsider13 0 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Please explain why you think it would be okay to raise more than 3x at that level. You accomplish nothing more by raising it higher than that, so basically you are lighting money on fire if you do. It's a waste of chips and it gets exponentially worse every street because of the pot size. Link to post Share on other sites
BeaverStyle 1 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Big raises worked for Jerry Yang.. Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Big raises worked for Jerry Yang..I raise... Wan Mirrion Link to post Share on other sites
RISEorFall 0 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Please explain why you think it would be okay to raise more than 3x at that level. You accomplish nothing more by raising it higher than that, so basically you are lighting money on fire if you do. It's a waste of chips and it gets exponentially worse every street because of the pot size.do you guys read?i said there are more optimal raise sizes - a couple times. but i dont like to limit myself. if a 3x raise seems to be the best for a certain situation, then why would i raise anything else?if we got a BB who likes to defend his blinds with a lot of hands, and I have a good hand, why would i just raise 2.5x? if I'm looking at Aces and I know he's going to at least call a 4x raise, why shouldnt I raise to 4x? raising to only 2.5x in a spot like that is burning money. obv. thats just one situation. im sure if you think for a while you could come up with more. making a blanket statement like "always raise x amount at this level" is just wrong. no two situations are alike, and some may call for different raises. Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 balance ftw. Link to post Share on other sites
outsider13 0 Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 but i dont like to limit myself. if a 3x raise seems to be the best for a certain situation, then why would i raise anything else?if we got a BB who likes to defend his blinds with a lot of hands, and I have a good hand, why would i just raise 2.5x? if I'm looking at Aces and I know he's going to at least call a 4x raise, why shouldnt I raise to 4x? raising to only 2.5x in a spot like that is burning money.He's UTG with 56s, not in the CO with AA here. There's a big difference between building a pot with a premium hand than building with a hand that needs help, especially that far out. It's just not smart. If you're going to mix it up, do it from 2.5x - 3x. If you want to raise more than 3x in position because you have a premium hand, position, and a read, that makes more sense . If that's the point you are making, then I agree. Link to post Share on other sites
RISEorFall 0 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 He's UTG with 56s, not in the CO with AA here. There's a big difference between building a pot with a premium hand than building with a hand that needs help, especially that far out. It's just not smart. If you're going to mix it up, do it from 2.5x - 3x. If you want to raise more than 3x in position because you have a premium hand, position, and a read, that makes more sense . If that's the point you are making, then I agree.no i agree it's a horrible raise in this spot. for many more factors than just the raise size, though. a raise to 2x the BB would've still been bad. the raise is only 20 chips past 3x. so if you're okay with 3x raises, then 3x + 20 when the 20 is pretty meaningless to the pot should be close enough for ya, too. but a blanket statement like "this raise is bad at this level" is wrong, imo. if anyone feels like they want to stick to a certain size raise and never vary it even if a bigger/smaller raise in a specific situation is more ideal, then have fun. Lots of pros say the same thing.There's also pros that say that's ridiculous, and there's lots of reasons you'd want to vary a raise size. i didnt mean to sound rude to you, if I did. im just really tired of coming back to the forums every so often to see a few posters who think they're god's gift to poker and act like total pricks and anyone who disagrees with them is wrong and stupid. that doesnt help anybody. when i first started posting i learned a ton from debates and discussion about hands, even from the worse players. now a days its a handful of people who want to post and learn and help others, one or two pricks who think they know everything, and a horde of people who just kiss their asses and go with whatever they say. makes me sad Link to post Share on other sites
outsider13 0 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 I'm far from gods gift to poker, nor do I have godly results. I have to say though that defending a more that 3x raise (even if its only 20 chips) is flawed with this hand. I'm quite sure you wouldn't find a pro that would do that in this situation ever. Vtlaxer is god though He's kind of a big deal. Link to post Share on other sites
Vtlaxer09 4 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 <----god's gift to poker. Link to post Share on other sites
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