When Overcards Miss, Then Hit...

[moogash 0]

PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comPreflop: Hero is Button with Q, K1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, CO callsFlop: (10.5 SB) 10, 4, 5(5 players)BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, CO calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, UTG+1 callsTurn: (7.25 BB) Q(4 players)UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, CO calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, CO callsRiver: (12.9 BB) 8(3 players, 1 all-in)MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 callsTotal pot: $2.98 (14.9 BB) | Rake: $0.14CO was all-in on the turnWhat do you guys think? Preflop raise ok? (hand plays well multiway) Can I call that flop (anyone raise the flop?, how about if i act before C/O)? If it was checked to me should I bet it (i'm thinking no)? Turn pop ok? (Figured I had equity and it knocks UTG+1 off any draws) Calling a 3bet and C/C river since pot is bigSorry about flooding the forum with mundane posts, but I figure it'll help liven the place up :0) Also, I like to have my game checked.

[KoRnholio 2]

12-1 on the flop I can't see not calling with 2 overs and a backdoor flush and straight draw, even if it costs you 2 bets to see the turn in the case someone raises.

[Polsk33AllIN 0]

Yeah the play is perfect IMO, Dont raise the flop though, in low limit u are just gonna get re raised way to often to warant the play also no one is gonna give you credit for an overpair anyway so it makes no sense.

[moogash 0]

Yeah the play is perfect IMO, Dont raise the flop though, in low limit u are just gonna get re raised way to often to warant the play also no one is gonna give you credit for an overpair anyway so it makes no sense.

I wouldnt be raising to make people think I had an overpair, I would be raising to get Q4, Q5, K4, K5, 67, AK, AQ to fold, and increase my equity. That said I sometimes think i'm a little bit raise happy :0)

[antistuff 0]

raising that flop would be very bad. a call is thinner than you think here not closing the action even getting the odds you are getting.

[CoranMoran 0]

I play it the same.--CM

[TheCinciKid 0]

Haven't read replies, but....All streets are pretty standard here IMO.Also, to answer your questions, I see this as a textbook SSHE type hand. I like your reasoning on all streets as well. Pre-flop raise is mandatory in this game with your hand.

[Dirtydutch 8]

I don't hate a play raise, against some opponent types. At these stakes, though, it's probably not good. Nice hand.

[lifelessimp 0]

So I originally thought this hand was standard, but I was rereading SSHE, specifically the part about playing overcards, and now I'm not so sure.In SSHE, there is an example given whereHero has in bb. Two players limp, sb completes, hero raises, all call (8sb)Flop is :3sSb Bets, hero raisesIn the example, sb is "aggressive and thinking player."Reasoning given for continuing: Pot is large, your overcards are relatively strong, board is fairly ragged, and you have a bd fd.Reasoning given for raising: sb is more likely to have a draw than usual (as an aggro player). Raising increases your winning chance.Is this situation different enough that raising here sucks? What if you are directly after the bettor?

[TheCinciKid 0]

So I originally thought this hand was standard, but I was rereading SSHE, specifically the part about playing overcards, and now I'm not so sure.In SSHE, there is an example given whereHero has in bb. Two players limp, sb completes, hero raises, all call (8sb)Flop is :3sSb Bets, hero raisesIn the example, sb is "aggressive and thinking player."Reasoning given for continuing: Pot is large, your overcards are relatively strong, board is fairly ragged, and you have a bd fd.Reasoning given for raising: sb is more likely to have a draw than usual (as an aggro player). Raising increases your winning chance.Is this situation different enough that raising here sucks? What if you are directly after the bettor?

I think this is somewhat read-dependent. I don't hate a raise if there's a decent chance that MP1 is leading with just a draw or something. But, with one guy already calling, I'm not a huge fan. I really think that with a bet and a call at this level we're looking at something like 5-7 outs at best, making a raise unprofitable in this spot. The big differences I see b/w your hand and the SSHE hand in question are that in SSHE they have an Ace (giving them a slightly better chance of winning UI) and it's HU against a guy who might be drawing (again, making it easier to win UI). Absent that read, I think we're strictly drawing to a 5-7 outer here and raising is unprofitable.