Kk Vs A Known Tag

[RabidTortuga 0]

Poker StarsLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $0.50/$19 playersConverterPre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP1 with K K UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero caps, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, SB calls.Flop: 7 Q 9 (18SB, 4 players)SB bets, Hero raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.Turn: 8 (15BB, 4 players)SB bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.River: 8 (19BB, 4 players)SB bets, Hero calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.Results:Final pot: 23BBStandard? Value in capping the flop or raising the turn? SB is a known TAG who overplays AK and big pairs, and 3-bets a semi-wide range (KQs, AJs, TT, 99). He's 15/8/2.3 after 1500 hands.

[Zach6668 513]

Cap the flop.If SB leads the turn, we're not ahead often enough to raise, so call down.If he checks the turn, easy value bet.It's the perfect combination of info and value.Actually, in this particular hand. I actually kinda like calling the flop 3-bet and raising the turn, due to our relative position, so we can charge the other two guys. We'll have enough equity in a 4 way pot, even against a tight range from SB.

[ricardob 0]

Shouldn't we cap the flop to charge the maximum for possible flush draws?What could MP2 and MP3 have besides a flush draw?I'm sorry for the questions, just trying to understand the hand.

[Actuary 3]

Shouldn't we cap the flop to charge the maximum for possible flush draws?

By calling the flop 3-bet and raisng the turn, we charge them more, than capping flop and calling the turn.If we cap flop and SB leads, are you suggesting we still raise the turn?I'm not sure how I play this, aside from either cappnig flop or raising turn.Probably the former unless SB is aggressive and I dont' "have" to fold a turn 3 bet.

[KoRnholio 2]

Capping the flop won't fold any draws out. Even on the turn raising won't fold anyone on a draw because the pot is now so big. Well played hand. This is AA or QQ very, very often. AQ sometimes.

[Actuary 3]

Capping the flop won't fold any draws out. Even on the turn raising won't fold anyone on a draw because the pot is now so big. Well played hand. This is AA or QQ very, very often. AQ sometimes.

AA=6 combosQQ = 3 combosAQ = 12 combosGranted, the combos should be evaluated for the fact we capped pre and SB is still 3-betting the flop, but it's 4 handed.Other hands could be playing this way and I'd think he c/r QQ/AA here a good bit of the timeWe raise for value because we get 3 bets for every one we put in.

[Zach6668 513]

Capping the flop won't fold any draws out. Even on the turn raising won't fold anyone on a draw because the pot is now so big. Well played hand. This is AA or QQ very, very often. AQ sometimes.

Who said anything about folding draws?This is such a huge misconception about poker.

[Actuary 3]

Who said anything about folding draws?This is such a huge misconception about poker.

On that noteYou know what I don't see enough here, and maybe it just doesn't happen/work enough in real life.Raising a marginal made hand to fold a better made hand behind us

[Zach6668 513]

That's a tough one, and it requires some pretty rare occurences and conditions, I'd think.I can think maybe a dozen times in my 6-max 'career' that I would have even thought to do it, lol.It's definitely something think about, although it doesn't apply to this hand at all.

[KoRnholio 2]

AQ is heavily discounted since most villains won't 3bet in a multiway pot with it from the SB.Basically if we raise, we reopen the betting and get smoked if we are behind and don't win much more if we are ahead at the moment. I like a call on the turn to see if fireworks go off behind us. Calling one gives us the option to fold if it's 2 more bets back to us.

[RISEorFall 0]

AQ is heavily discounted since most villains won't 3bet in a multiway pot with it from the SB.

reads are important. villain is lag and will overplay AK, he'll play AQ this way. if he 3-bet KQ preflop, he'll 3-bet KQ after the flop, too. we dont get smoked if we're behind, because we make more money from the 2 stragglers than we lose if were behind.