Poker Etiquette Question. What Do You Think Was I Right.

[joemama65 0]

so the other night at a home game tourny. i got into a situation, whereas a player i was playing with asked me for a chip count, now here is where it gets stupid. When he asked me this, there was no hands in play and the deck was being shuffled, and my chips were all clearly visible. I didn't want to count them because of pure lazyness, i had a lot of chips and just didnt want to take the time to count them. He in turn, begins to get upset, and saying how rude i was. Where finally i had to just say, look buddy im not trying to be a dick, im just lazy and dont want to count them, if you want to know just look at them, again they were clearly visible. And again, no hands were in play. So this started another argument around the table whereas buddy said that its rude not to give an official count and that you have to do it when asked. To which i replied no you dont, with the following examples, if your in a casino the dealer will count for him, because most players prefer to remain silent due to giving off a tell or a sign of nerves. and in most cases asking for a chip count is a way for the other player to get the guy talking. Secondly i said, "usually if its a home game a player to the left or right will usually do the chip count for the player". Then situation number 2 came up.same player is first to act, im in small blind, he looks at me and asks for a chip count again, all of this is preflop and pre-any-betting. So im alittle upset but more annoyed because this bs has been going on all night (i left some instances out due to length). I look at him and say " just look at my chips, why do you want to know we are not even in a hand together yet, in fact i havent even looked at my cards". He responds by saying, " i want to know what im going up against and how much i could possibly lose in a hand against me". I respond again " just look at my chips, we have about the same amount, so you will probley lose alot of chips of we get involved in a hand". i was baseing this on simple common sense rule. I must add this guy was not drunk, or high. From all of this, he gets super pissed and starts calling me rude an *******, etc etc. To which i finally respond back look buddy , im never going to count out my chips for you, so stop asking, i explained my reasons for it, (examples were explained above, tells, nerves, etc). So blah blah blah he's super pissed and im confident i am justified in my actions and that he is a donk.So my question is, Who is right in this situation?To plead my case more i never acted like an ass to this guy or provoked him in any way. I only got angry after his constant persitance on getting me to give him chip counts. And at no time when he asked for a chip count were we involved in a hand together. If anyone wants to ask me a questions to clarify i gladly will, just ask. Please let me know or even forward me a published ruling on this question. thanks to all those who respond.psi won the tourny 1st out of 27 for $390, boo yeah donk

[Shark527 0]

If you have similar stacks I don't know why he would be asking if your chips are clearly visible. If he didn't see this, you could have just said "about the same as yours" and hopefully that would have been the end of it. I don't think you were out of line.

[pokerinc 0]

when you're in the blind your chip count matters definitely. Or if the cards are going and you haven't acted yet and it's his turn for that matter.just count your dam chips. you should know or have a close idea anyway if you're serious about playing.if you're not sure give him a polite guess "I have about x." Then ask if he needs it more specific.Short answer: Yes you have to.

[DCJ001 0]

I'd have the chips in stacks of ten or twenty and let him know the size of the stacks and let him figure it out.

[Vertigo 0]

I agree with the OP. The rules state that your highest denomination chips must be clearly visible. Provided your chips are somewhat neatly stacked, a close estimate could be available anytime to someone who's not a complete retard. When cards are being shuffled and no hand is in play, I don't think he has any right to ask. If he was polite fine, but if he's just doing it to be a dick, that's lame. During a hand, it's a bit different. But by the sounds of it, the guy was just being a douche.

[mikednuts 0]

Poker etiquette wise I think you were fine and there's no need for him to be asking. But it was probably an avoidable problem and saying something to the effect of "I'm too lazy to count" is probably going to annoy most people...which, let's face it, you probably knew when you did it.So don't count if you don't count if you don't want to but as this guy sounds a little donkish, I'd think it's be best to keep him happy and keep him and his money coming back in the future.