prideofatx 0 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.10 BB (6 handed) Ultimate-Bet Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Button ($9.60)SB ($1.03)BB ($4.83)UTG ($6.09)MP ($19.41)Hero ($12.84)Preflop: Hero is CO with J, K. UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.55, Button calls $0.55, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.45, MP folds.Flop: ($1.90) 3, 5, J(3 players)UTG checks, Hero bets $1.2, Button raises to $2.4, UTG calls $2.40, Hero calls $1.20.Turn: ($9.10) 7(3 players)UTG checks, Hero checks, Button checks.River: ($9.10) 7(3 players)UTG checks, Hero bets $3, Button folds, UTG folds.Final Pot: $9.10Im sure some people on here will hate this line. When it got to the turn i did not know what to do. The pot was growing large and i only had one pair. In retrospect i think bet/folding is probably better than checking the turn but then again thats committing an awful lot of money just to fold imo. Any help would be appreciated Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 There's no value in a river bet here.Button's play looks a lot like a flush draw looking for a free card. Check it to him, if he bets, you get to see what UTG does, and then we can usually call him here and pick off a missed draw, which he's not calling with unless it had the 7s in it, obviously. Link to post Share on other sites
StPong 0 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 I would add that if you make a smaller raise or just call preflop you'd be more comfortable playing KJo. It's not a hand you usually want to play with in big pots. By raising more than 3-4 BB preflop, you're setting up a big pot. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 I disagree with you a bit there StPong. He's not making a big raise to build a pot. He's making a big raise to take it down, it looks like. Either raise big, like he did, maybe even bigger, or just limp preflop, hell, even folding is fine. Raising to 30 cents after 2 limpers is god awful though, Link to post Share on other sites
Ricer98 0 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Probably just fold this preflop. Maybe if it was suited or if the two players were tight with calling raises after they limped then I would like it. Heck even just one limper would be a better spot, with two though the odds you take it down without seeing the flop greatly decrease. Another problem is alot of players are going to limping AJ and KQ from UTG and MP. KJ just isn't that good of a hand, just look how it played out here, you make top pair and still have to play it very cautiously.As it played out I think you played it fine with one exception, bet size on the river. On the flop and turn you defiently want to keep this pot small so just calling and checking are the correct plays. Raising won't get called by many hands we beat and may force out anything we have drawing slim, like a J10 in this case. On the river I like the bet but you need to bet more, 1/2-2/3 the pot atleast. I usually don't bet much less than 2/3 the pot ever so I'd probably go around $6. There is definetly value in this bet, not many players bluff missed draws at this limit on ultimatebet and the villians hand looks nothing like a flush draw anyway. Also the fact that he min raised the flop leads me to believe hes probably more of a weak passive player that might not bet a J9, J10 type hand. Plus there's always the chance that our looks like a bluff and we get some random idiot calling with a 35, 56, 1010, 99, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
Sheiky 0 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 If it's limped to you in the CO, you should be raising a lot of hands.Attacking weak limpers PF in 6-max is crucial, don't let these weak players play trash hands, raise it up, make them pay for there lackluster play, take the initiative.Raising PF here is good. Link to post Share on other sites
Ricer98 0 Posted November 26, 2007 Share Posted November 26, 2007 If it's limped to you in the CO, you should be raising a lot of hands.Attacking weak limpers PF in 6-max is crucial, don't let these weak players play trash hands, raise it up, make them pay for there lackluster play, take the initiative.Raising PF here is good.I agree 100% you should be attacking limpers, but as with every other aspect of poker its situation dependant. In this hand the hero is obviously a bit unsure of his post flop play. With that being the case, if I were him I would shy away from raising two limpers with a margnial hand like this. Doing so will keep him out of difficult decisions that often lead to making mistakes. If your going to be constantly attacking limpers you need to know how to outplay them more than just raise preflop and continuation bet. If you can't you set yourself up to be outplayed by other observant players, maybe not a big problem at .05/.10 but more so at the next couple limits higher.Just this last week I had a player, who I hadn't played with before, that was constantly going after limpers and trying to steal in position. During the 3 sessions we played he just happened to be either one or two to my right, meaning I was the BB or SB on his button. 100% of the time if it was folded to him or if there was one limper, he raised from the button. Everytime it was folded to him in the SB, he raised. Probably 80% of the time if it was folded or there was one limper when he was in the CO, he raised. As a result of this, I adjusted my play by 3 betting him light and calling then check raising the flop with anything suited and remotely playable. I'd say I probably won 90% of the hands we played, but he just kept making raises in these spots regardless. Probably because he learned somewhere you need to attack limpers at 6 max as a general statement, some what like in your reply, and not as a situation dependant play. Not realizing good spots to go after a limper from more maginal ones and just doing it regardless without a good sense of post flop play will only hurt many beginning players by getting them into difficult decisions where they are prone to making mistakes. Link to post Share on other sites
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