Cycrac

Yeah, I thought we were talking about full ring, as dn was playing a full ring game. But my calculations are very accurate in full ring situation, they do take the blinds into account as I said earlier. Of course in heads up the variance increases significantly, as you'll lose lot more to blinds. This also means that the best way to play would probably be to only play avg 70% favorite hands early on and later tighten up to only 88+ pps, as the few percents makes huge difference because it's to the power of 8.Anyways, it should be clear by now that it is -ev to the 125k stack maniac to go all i

The reason is that on the flop we only have information about his hand from preflop & flop, so it's harder to know if we have him beat or not, thus we are more apt to call.. But if he checks/bets smaller and we keep pounding the pot with our KK, you've got to get concerned that the KK very well might not be the best hand if he won't slow down, or keeps calling your bets. Also you get a lot more information of his hand that way.

From sbs point of view, pushing with 55 (or 33) here isn't all that bad, you only have to get a call every once in a while to win more in the long run, than what you would if you played it slower. Plenty of people at 100nl call pushes on that flop with high pps (as you can see from the replies :-) )

Yeh kinda like the double your bet.. but because 'the house' (the player with 2k) still has an edge this is +ev for him :-)

I read the scenario to be that you had to be at least a 70% favorite, not average 70%If you are only going with hands that are at least 70% favorite, then you'd actually be 77% favorite on average every all in. Then the calculation would go .77^8=12,4%, because some all ins you are 70% favorite, and some even 85% (AA), which in the long run equals to .77 with hand range of 88-AA. Play with www.pokerstove.com if you can't understand this.So you'd only lose about $20 per every all in. Not sure where you get this. Even based the 8.4% of all hands you have 9+ blinds given up for each all in or a

Pretty easy call if you think he would call you with QQ preflop.You are favorite over a range of AA-QQ, AsKx.

I'd fold and sigh..If sb did go all in with some crap like 77 that wouldn't make much sense, then good for him, take the $4

Well actually, with hands 77+, AT+ (8,4% of all hands) on average you are ~70% favorite over random hand.. So you'd only lose about $20 per every all in.Note that the 8th all in covers way more than all the blinds lost in process. Besides, the blinds lost after 3rd all in are pretty meaningless to what you are going to win when you go all in next time.However, all this is pretty meaningless because no matter how you put it, you are the favorite to win it all, if every time the money goes in you are the favorite. All the opponent's bigger stack size, and the fact thet you are trying to win it

From mathematical perspective:Let's say you buyin for 1k and the other guy has 125k, and he uses the all-in blind strategy, that some of you seem to think is the winning play here.You'd have to double up 7 times to win all his money (1k * 2^7 = 128k) If the money would always go in when you are ~70% favorite, that means that you'd have a chance of 0.7^8=5,7%, or 1:18 to break him every time you bought in for another 1k. (even if you lost several times, you'd only have to double up 1 more time, 8 in total to take all his money, which is 1:24)So, if you bought in with 1k, you'd have to buy in a

Maybe, but the result (2x more profit by going ai) suggests that going ai is better option than just calling, even if the assumptions are a big off.I thought by the original post that MP had raised with JTo before, when I made the hand calculations. As suggested by aseem, folding might be the best option if we really don't know anything about MP.

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You give button way too much credit. At these limits, someone sees 2 allins in front of them as more money in the pot, not as stronger hands. I'd include pp down to 55 or so, as well as any suited connector and any 2 cards 10+. If you don't think he'd call with QJo or QTo, you're mistaken. Same with MP. Hell, they might just surprise us and call with Q7o.The reason why I didn't give button wider hand range is because it would only make going all in preflop a better option. I only tried to prove that all in preflop was better play than just calling....I kind of took the 'worst case scenari

I've been observer of the forum for quite some time but never posted before. However when I read through this thread I decided to try to make a clear argument why going all in preflop is much better. Here goes:Let's put MP on AA-22, AKs-JTo (being quite conservative as he might be raising with lower suited connectors too), and button on wider range, AA-22, AKs-Jto + A9s-A4s and suited connectors down to 76s..-MP calls the preflop ai with hands: equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)Hero: 52.0406 % [ 00.48 00.04 ] { AcQd }MP: 47.9594 % [ 00.44 00.04 ] { AA-66, AKs-AT