Bottom line is......Who gives a crap? Really? I am willing to bet that the majority of us in these threads don't play on that level (big buy in events). So, we're spinning our wheels over something outside our realm. I'm a big fan of Daniel's for sure. I also like Phil very much. I have lost enormous respect for Raymer. The actions he took were childish, in my opinion. Everyone in here is on this side of the imaginary line and ready to do battle with those on the other side. Why?