4TeedleMac 0 Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)BB ($11)UTG ($7.95)MP ($3.35)Hero ($28.40)SB ($11.25)Preflop: Hero is Button with , . 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, BB calls $0.25.Flop: ($0.75) , , (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $0.5, BB calls $0.50.Turn: ($1.75) (2 players)BB bets $1.2, Hero???This was BB 6th or 7th hand at the table he had been pretty aggressive in the 3 or so hands he has played...I am at least calling here, how often should I raise here or should I raise at all??? Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Easy turn call, reassess river.I bet more on the flop, .60, tbh, but I guess it isn't that big of a deal. Link to post Share on other sites
d0c 0 Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 how often should I raise here or should I raise at allNever. He's repping trips or better. He won't fold any of those hands. On the other hand, he folds everything that you have beat (including bluff). call, reassess river. Link to post Share on other sites
LJB723 0 Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 I'd call. You probably have to lay it down if you don't improve on the river though. Link to post Share on other sites
Money022 0 Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Easy turn call, reassess river.I bet more on the flop, .60, tbh, but I guess it isn't that big of a deal.I see nothing wrong with betting 2/3 the pot on the flop. Keep'em along for the ride.As for the turn, call and fold unimproved to a bet. Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 We bet more on the flop because of the flop texture. Minus the flush draw on board the bet is fine. With the flush draw out there I bet .60 or .65. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 We bet more on the flop because of the flop texture. Minus the flush draw on board the bet is fine. With the flush draw out there I bet .60 or .65.Just to clarify, you see that we have the nut flush draw? Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Just to clarify, you see that we have the nut flush draw?Yes. But we base the size of our bets on the board texture and not the hand we hold. Link to post Share on other sites
LJB723 0 Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Yes. But we base the size of our bets on the board texture and not the hand we hold.Surely simo meant we make a bet that will keep any other flush draw interested. With the nfd I want QdXd to hang around as long as possible.Your reasoning of betting more with a flush draw present seems more of a defensive tactic. Or have I misread you? Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Yes. But we base the size of our bets on the board texture and not the hand we hold.I don't think that's too important in most cases. think striving for optimal play is vastly overrated at low stakes (below ~2/4nl).If you think you can successfully exploit a situation, do it. If you think your opponent is going to be able to make good inferences and adjustments on your future play then you should try to play optimally.In a pot with a bad player there is no need to think about game theoretical implications. Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 It's not entirely about meta game considerations though that's part of it. I'm not too worried about opponents who will notice and distinguish the difference between 75% pot and 90% pot bets. Really keeping someone around with a worse flush draw isn't a big concern because if there is someone out there with the worse flush draw the flush is far less likely to hit.Honestly it's not really about protecting your hand with a bigger bet either. I think players that will call 75% pot with a non-nut flush draw will call 90% pot with a non nut flush draw. The bigger bet is about value first - there are more worse hands that will call a bet. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 I bet the flop harder. Much harder. Two reasons. This is a dream flop for us.First, some of the hands that CALL the PF raise are ahead of us right now. Purposes of betting are to get better hands to fold, worse hands to call.Maybe we lean AJ toward a fold. Second, it's not a bad idea to fill the pot when we hold the NF draw/TP. If we wait until the flush hits to start betting hard, our hand is exposed.The turn is a nightmare card. But the good news is that we could be looking at A8 or something like that that is putting us on a naked diamond draw. I don't sweat the turn too hard and I call a reasonable (80% or less) river bet.If a diamond hits the river, I'm not afraid to get in one buyin or less. Link to post Share on other sites
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