raising for value?

[Snowman22 0]

Converter didn't work with this site, so tidied up as best as... 10-handed £1-2 limit game:dealt to Snowman22 [A A ]Snowman22: raises £2 (utg+1)Nich02022: calls £2 (utg+3)K_kazee: calls £2 (button)----- FLOP ----- [7 5 3 ]Snowman22: checksNich02022: checksK_kazee: bets £1Snowman22: raises £2Nich02022: foldsK_kazee: calls £1----- TURN ----- [7 5 3 ][2 ]Snowman22: bets £2K_kazee: calls £2----- RIVER ----- [7 5 3 2 ][K ]Snowman22: bets £2K_kazee: raises £4 :!: Now i'm not sure why, but before the river i put him on KK, and so when it the river came as K, i groaned and bet out. Sure enough, back comes a raise.I was going to call, but then thought about the range of hands he could have called a raise from the button with, and bet out from last position on a low board with, and a few contained Kings in, and two pair appeared unlikely on that board. So i assumed i'd be getting value by re-raising as most of the time my AA's would win.Of course it doesn't take a genius to figure out he'd made his set on the river, and i lost another 2 big bets. So the question is, was i correct in re-raising to make another 1 big bet whenever his holding was one pair (kings) vs losing 2 big bets against the set of kings or the more unlikely two pair / straight he could hold??

[Vade 0]

You put him on KK....how?Edit: I'm changing my mind: bet the flopBet on the turn is fineHave to lead the riverSeems fine to me

[Snowman22 0]

very good question!!!It was just one of those times when i saw the king come and thought 'this means trouble'. Probably was me assuming the worst which is why i was proud of the fact i stopped myself just calling and considered the re-raise option due to how unlikely him holding KK was.Anyway, thanks for the reply, but i'm not really questioning how i played the hand - just if the expectation behind that final re-raise is positive for me, based on the hands an opponent is likely to raise on the river with.

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Converter didn't work with this site, so tidied up as best as... 10-handed £1-2 limit game:dealt to Snowman22 [A A ]Snowman22: raises £2 (utg+1)Nich02022: calls £2 (utg+3)K_kazee: calls £2 (button)----- FLOP ----- [7 5 3 ]Snowman22: checksNich02022: checksK_kazee: bets £1Snowman22: raises £2Nich02022: foldsK_kazee: calls £1----- TURN ----- [7 5 3 ][2 ]Snowman22: bets £2K_kazee: calls £2----- RIVER ----- [7 5 3 2 ][K ]Snowman22: bets £2K_kazee: raises £4 :!: Now i'm not sure why, but before the river i put him on KK, and so when it the river came as K, i groaned and bet out. Sure enough, back comes a raise.I was going to call, but then thought about the range of hands he could have called a raise from the button with, and bet out from last position on a low board with, and a few contained Kings in, and two pair appeared unlikely on that board. So i assumed i'd be getting value by re-raising as most of the time my AA's would win.Of course it doesn't take a genius to figure out he'd made his set on the river, and i lost another 2 big bets. So the question is, was i correct in re-raising to make another 1 big bet whenever his holding was one pair (kings) vs losing 2 big bets against the set of kings or the more unlikely two pair / straight he could hold??

Is this game really passive or only K_kazee? With him NEVER reraising you before the river I don't see how you can put him on KK. A big pair maybe but not specifically KK.The check/raise on the flop is a big mistake IMO. It's far too likely that it gets checked around because you as the preflop aggressor only checked.That being said, the raise on the river is worrisome. I'm more likely to put him on something like KQs or AK and I would 3-bet as well. Only calling isn't horrible though since it's obvious the K helped him out, it's a question of how much.Zara

[Snowman22 0]

I don't see the need to bet the flop, and here's why:They've both called two bets cold, and the flop shows no flush draw, and a straight draw for someone with a 4 or 6 (excluding a gutshot for someone with 98)!! I don't give credit to anyone calling two cold pre-flop to hold these cards, and similarly with the possibility of them holding a 3, 5 or 7. Thus IMO we're all holding overcards / pairs.Based on this i'm happy to give a free card if we all check. However, I don't think that will happen becuase the most likely scenario from their point of view is i'm holding KQ (for example) and missed, and so am passively checking. Thier overcards now look good for stealing the pot. They'll bet most of the time.

[Wily 0]

Be glad your Op with KK played so passively. There was little to make you think he had KK, since he just called preflop instead of three-betting it. If I were the OP, I'd probably play it like thisThreebet preflop, you cap, I callOn flop (if you check), I bet, you raise, I three-bet, you cap.If you cap, I just call the turn. If you call the three-bet and check the turn, I bet. River, I bet/raise/jam.He got lucky on the river, but he could easily have AK or KQ, so you have to call his raise. Your three-betting, on the other hand, is not correct for you - few players raise on a bluff on the river, especially when a scare card falls. If he's raising, he can clearly beat a pair of kings, and hence a single pair of aces. The only hand i can see him reasonably raising the river that you beat is AK and AK only - if he had KQ or lower he'd just call, thinking you may have AK. I read him on a set by the river with that raise. In general, you should be happy he misplayed his kings and saved you a number of bets/tilt when he catches his 2-outter on the river.