Absolute 0 Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 Where's your avatar?May I suggest... Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted March 23, 2005 Author Share Posted March 23, 2005 I have a couple of ones saved to my comp, but they're too big for this site. They're cowboy bebop ones Link to post Share on other sites
Absolute 0 Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 I think a Gareth Keenan one would be funny. Link to post Share on other sites
Absolute 0 Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 and it even looks like he might be at a poker table! Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted March 23, 2005 Author Share Posted March 23, 2005 I'm not going for sloppy secondsgareth its because you call it sloppy seconds is why you can't get with her Link to post Share on other sites
Absolute 0 Posted March 23, 2005 Share Posted March 23, 2005 hahaha Link to post Share on other sites
CallMeIshmael 0 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 Hey all,I was villian from this hand, and just wanted to give my thoughts...As he said, there was a level of mutal respect there...Button in this hand is a complete tard, and you can't put her on a hand.I feel his UTG capping range is AK, AA-JJ, and me might cap TT because of the button's dead money.Also, I want to note that this point cannot be stressed enough (as it made me raise on this hand): I have to call a bet with AK unimproved on the river, because I know he can bet that hand. I will have more than good enough pot odds to call it.So, looking at it from my persective:preflop: automatic 3-bet.flop: I'm not fond of that flop. (If he has either TT or JJ, my overcards are dead). But, I have a gutshot, and more than enough odds to continue. (thow out the goofball AdKd)Turn: the real decision maker.a) I don't feel he will three bet me with anything that I am live against. He might 3-bet AJ, but he wouldnt cap it. So, that leaves a 3-bet from TT and JJ. So, I can safely fold to a 3-bet.B) He just calls with AA, KK and QQ. He checks to me on the river, and I check behind. I lose 2 bets. BUT, I sometimes collect another bet from these hands, because I have 4, 7 and 6 outs repectively against AA, KK and QQ. BUT, and this is what made me do it, I will lose 2 bets to those hands anyway. Because I have to call his river bet. (he might not bet QQ on the river, but, lets just assume he does)c) Folding out the button does help here. Like I said, she could have any two. Imagine this nightmare of a disaster:We both have AK. He bets, and I just call the turn. She calls with some goofball no pair, that pairs on the river. He fires a third barrel with AK, I call and then she overcalls to take down a monster with a rivered pair of fours!!!So, the raies does also help to fold out the button.Since it seems I will be putting in two bets to see showdown either way, I might as well do it when I might fold out another AK.BTW, you guys like the office?? I'm like one of its biggest fans. Have either of you seen 'Animals'. It is Gervais' standup special. You can only buy it from England, and you have to have a British TV/DVD player to play it (or use computer). It is amazing!! Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted March 24, 2005 Author Share Posted March 24, 2005 glad to see you join up my man. Threebetting that turn did cross my mind. As the two hands I felt you probably had were QQ or 99. I knew the diamonds were live and if you did have QQ then I'd take a real big pot off of you if one of the two possible queens left hit. I also felt that both of the Kings and Aces were live also so I'm looking at 9(max) diamonds 3 aces 3 kings and 2(at least) queens. So from my point of view a turn threebet might've been smart as I felt I maybe 17 outs for a win on the river. It was an interesting hand after it happened and when I looked at it further the more interesting it became. Again, glad to see you join up here and always feel free to give advice on hands as any smart poster is a welcome poster Link to post Share on other sites
CallMeIshmael 0 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 Um...If I have QQ, I think the last card you want to come off is a Q, no?Other than, of course the Qd, any Q fills me and gives you a straight.The Qd, however, would be capped like you wouldnt believe. Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted March 24, 2005 Author Share Posted March 24, 2005 oops your right. I wrote that up right after taking a nap. The queen of diamonds would've made that a fun river though Link to post Share on other sites
akishore 0 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 Um...If I have QQ, I think the last card you want to come off is a Q, no?Other than, of course the Qd, any Q fills me and gives you a straight.The Qd, however, would be capped like you wouldnt believe.this might be a dumb question since it's extremely hypothetical and the true answer might be impossible to predict, but i'll ask anyway.if you were playing at a live casino instead of online, where there was no cap on the river (unlimited raising) or perhaps no cap on any street when it became heads-up... if the Qd fell (giving you top boat and giving Kdawg the royal), when would you stop raising?of course, it's easier since you have the third-nuts instead of the second-nuts (JJ also beats you), so maybe think what the case would be if you had QJ and the board became QQJ, giving you the second-nuts after the royal.i'm just asking because i ran into this type of trouble once in a live game with unlimited river raising heads-up, and i raised a good seven or eight times with top boat before i gave in to the possibility that i was against quads (which i was). with kdawg reraising you nonstop with the royal, at what point would you start to think you're against a royal, even though the chances of that are extremely slim?thanks,aseem Link to post Share on other sites
CallMeIshmael 0 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 this might be a dumb question since it's extremely hypothetical and the true answer might be impossible to predict, but i'll ask anyway.if you were playing at a live casino instead of online, where there was no cap on the river (unlimited raising) or perhaps no cap on any street when it became heads-up... if the Qd fell (giving you top boat and giving Kdawg the royal), when would you stop raising?of course, it's easier since you have the third-nuts instead of the second-nuts (JJ also beats you), so maybe think what the case would be if you had QJ and the board became QQJ, giving you the second-nuts after the royal.i'm just asking because i ran into this type of trouble once in a live game with unlimited river raising heads-up, and i raised a good seven or eight times with top boat before i gave in to the possibility that i was against quads (which i was). with kdawg reraising you nonstop with the royal, at what point would you start to think you're against a royal, even though the chances of that are extremely slim?thanks,aseemJust for nitpicking: I don't have the third nuts. The following hands beat me: AdKd; Kd9d; 9dTd; JJ. Only AdKd and JJ are possible given I know KDawg's capping range.I guess there are two answers, one for in postion, one for out: (note these sequences assume that I know the player, he is not a total LAG, nor is he/she of the 'The third bet means the nuts' type:In position: He/she bets, I raise, 3-bet, 4-bet, 5-bet, call.(at this point I begin to think that, since I have QJ, he probably has the same, so raising does no more. Plus, he could have me beat, so betting gains nothing more)OOP: I bet, he/she raises, 3-bet, 4-bet, 5-bet, 6-bet, call.Note: In general, a persons hand range is far more difficult to define in a pot in which I have QJ than it was here.In this example, I know his range very strictly. I very rarely get more than 2 bets in preflop with QJ (and I dont put two in all that often), which means hands arent as clearly defineed. This may, at some point, change the play. But, the above lines would probably be about it.Another note: The fact that I am given QJ, with a board of QQJ + (two lower than J) means that my hand can be tied. I dont think he would ever put that many bets in with a hand worse than mine. If you give me JJ, on a board of JJTQx, where he has a royal, given the preflop action here, I would probably go more, because he could very easily have QQ, and think he has the best hand. I would probably put in one more raise in both situations.I mean, if you make top full and someone else makes a straight flush, and you are unlucky enough to be in a situation where betting can't be capped, you are just unlucky. There is nothing you can do. Link to post Share on other sites
RISEorFall 0 Posted March 24, 2005 Share Posted March 24, 2005 a) I don't feel he will three bet me with anything that I am live against. He might 3-bet AJ, but he wouldnt cap it. So, that leaves a 3-bet from TT and JJ. So, I can safely fold to a 3-bet. so I was right...raise the turn to find out if youre drawing dead or not. if youre 3-bet you know youre drawing dead. Also, i still don't think KDawg has to bet the river. the only hand that might call him that he has beat is 10-10, because I'm not putting the other guy on a bigger pair than his overpair (still assuming KD has overpair, i know he doesn't now though). Anything else more than likely folds, so why not check it to him and maybe pick up another bet by letting him bluff at you. You don;t lose a bet because he more than likely isn't going to call a bet, and you might get one from him by letting him bluff. Since he has AK, the only reason for KD to bet the river is if he is 100% sure his opponent has AK too. to bet if you put him on 10-10 or a pair or something would just not be very smart, IMO. Link to post Share on other sites
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