how to hit your big draws

[AlphaOmega 0]

2/4 10-max (10-handed)No readsPre-flop: Hero is dealt K 8 in MPUTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, MP4 raises, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls.Flop: (14 SB) (7 players)2 7 10 UTG checks, UTG+1 check, Hero checks, MP4 bets, MP4 calls, CO calls, Button calls, UTG+1 callsTurn: (12 BB) (5 players)K UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP4 bets, Hero calls, MP4 calls, CO callsRiver: (28 BB) (4 players)3 Hero bets, MP4 calls, CO calls, Button callsFinal Pot: (40 BB)Sorry about making it obvious, you know I have to since this is the biggest pot I've ever played in in terms of BB's. I thought this hand really illustrated a lot of concepts that are important when playing draws, which I believe one poster had a question on maybe last week or so.I think pre-flop, flop, and turn are pretty interesting. I think it's possible that I goofed up one or more of those streets.

[Guest Zach6668]

Preflop is sketchy. The rest looks tremendous.

[kouta43 0]

i dont like the 3bet on the turn. You are clearly behind here, and you may have less outs than you think. Any K can make someone else trips with a bigger kicker, an 8 sill leaves you dead to a set, and a club pairing the board is also not safe. Just call. You got lucky.

[AlphaOmega 0]

i dont like the 3bet on the turn. You are clearly behind here, and you may have less outs than you think. Any K can make someone else trips with a bigger kicker, an 8 sill leaves you dead to a set, and a club pairing the board is also not safe. Just call. You got lucky.

This is what I was concerned with. At the time, I just kept betting because it was 4-handed, so I only needed to win about 25% of the time to break even (though the figure should be slightly higher since me three-betting may knock one opponent out occasionally). After stoving it against a set 4-handed, it appears that we have only about 20% equity, so 3-betting on the turn was spewage. Pre-flop------Since there are already two limpers, I saw the potential of a big multi-way pot, so i limped as well. I almost re-raised pre-flop, but elected not to on the account that though we would raise K10s in that spot, I lose a lot of equity if I don't have the broadway draw. Flop-------The flop action stresses the importance of understanding the concept of relative position with your draws. I almost lead out, and that would have been a massive mistake. Fortunately, I checked the hand history to see who the PFR was and saw that he was to my immediate left.

[kouta43 0]

i dont like the 3bet on the turn. You are clearly behind here, and you may have less outs than you think. Any K can make someone else trips with a bigger kicker, an 8 sill leaves you dead to a set, and a club pairing the board is also not safe. Just call. You got lucky.

This is what I was concerned with. At the time, I just kept betting because it was 4-handed, so I only needed to win about 25% of the time to break even (though the figure should be slightly higher since me three-betting may knock one opponent out occasionally). After stoving it against a set 4-handed, it appears that we have only about 20% equity, so 3-betting on the turn was spewage. Pre-flop------Since there are already two limpers, I saw the potential of a big multi-way pot, so i limped as well. I almost re-raised pre-flop, but elected not to on the account that though we would raise K10s in that spot, I lose a lot of equity if I don't have the broadway draw. Flop-------The flop action stresses the importance of understanding the concept of relative position with your draws. I almost lead out, and that would have been a massive mistake. Fortunately, I checked the hand history to see who the PFR was and saw that he was to my immediate left.

Flop play was nice, as you say it shows you udnerstand your position and your opponents here. Worst thing that could happen is you bet, PF raiser raises it and everyone else folds, leaving you with a flush draw and 1 dubious over againt a PF raiser out of position.As for the turn, im not sure its of great advantage to knock someone out. If they have you beat, they arent folding, uness they have a hand like KJ. And who knows how your average donk plays KJ there- probably calls. Put simply yu need to improve here, and if you do you want marginal hands to stay in because these will be the hands you defintely beat and do not need to worry about should you hit.

[BoBetter 0]

I hate the pre flop play and the three bet on the turn. If it gets capped here and no flush draw comes, it's even more spewage.I do think a three bet would be good pre flop play with that many players. Next time raise it up!

[AceJackOffS 0]

hate the preflop play, K8 sucks especially for a raiseturn is questionable but not horriblenice catch

[kouta43 0]

I hate the pre flop play and the three bet on the turn. If it gets capped here and no flush draw comes, it's even more spewage.I do think a three bet would be good pre flop play with that many players. Next time raise it up!

K 8 really isnt a great hand.

[amarillotg 0]

im not a fan of the turn play.what about leading this turn and calling a raise?

[Smasharoo 0]

Whole hand sucks.This is a much better post when someone has the A high flush.good luck.

[AlphaOmega 0]

hate the preflop play, K8 sucks especially for a raiseturn is questionable but not horriblenice catch

It was raised after I limped.I know pre-flop was bad, but it wasn't like I called when it was two-cold to me.

[AlphaOmega 0]

im not a fan of the turn play.what about leading this turn and calling a raise?

I think c/cing is a better plan. The last thing I want to do is lead into someone who likes their hand who could blast the field away when I'm likely dominated and needing to improve on the river.

[BoBetter 0]

Whole hand sucks.This is a much better post when someone has the A high flush.good luck.

Yeah, I was thinking the whole time, that I make this play with Ace suited, but not King suited, especially from early position.But, I do think once he's called here it wouldn't be bad to raise it pre flop when it comes back to him.....

[BoBetter 0]

Whole hand sucks.This is a much better post when someone has the A high flush.good luck.

Yeah, I was thinking the whole time, that I make this play with Ace suited, but not King suited, especially from early position.But, I do think once he's called here it wouldn't be bad to raise it pre flop when it comes back to him.....