Vman96
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Not sure where you got that from. It's 1 in 16 to hit the case queen. Nevertheless, muck this fast. Why waste more money on a hand that is going to make you check/fold the flop 90% of the time? I know people hate forfeiting blind bets...but sometimes it's a good idea.With three of them your chance of hitting a set on the flop is about 1 in 50. -
Absolutely. I really hate betting a lot OOP unless you know the half you are betting for right now is safe against any future cards. For example....don't be betting straights very hard OOP....even if they are the nuts.If they are a chronic low chaser and do this low hand type bluff often....you can call if you think the low is all they got....but it's really really risky, and you will get scooped whenever you're wrong. And with these types of players....punish their *** when you have nut low + decent high hand.Position really, really matters in PLO8. -
Eh, it depends on you really. Some people are better suited to PLO8 than LO8...and vice versa. If you really get attached to nut low draws for instance...I would play LO8...hitting nut low usually will never make you lose tons of money. When I first started playing PLO8...i was a better LO8 player....now I have changed my strategy in PLO8, and I think it's flip-flopped now...lol
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The WSOP also stopped rules introductions in 2005. Except for non-Holdem games...which I wish they'd show more of....grrrrrrrrrrrrr
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It's a marginal call...especially if the other guy has A2. And when you hit your gin card...as you can see...you couldnt get another dime from top set (my guess on what he had). I probably would fold here...but I'm a weak-tight little *****...lol
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I'd like to see this hand cheap. Would fold to a significant raise OOP.Jam the flop....as the OP said, you were a 4 to 3 fave over a set. You have to push your huge draws like this...so that's why it is best to be properly rolled for this game.anyone fold this preflop? -
Yes, unless you have a read i would just call the raise...most pot bets in these scenarios aren't without the nuts. And I seriously doubt he is raising with less than AT....and if he is...cut him a break, note it, and nail his dumbass next timeWith every acknowledgment that i boated on the turn, correct? -
Even if you could get it all in on the flop...I am not a huge fan in doing so as you have crap for low potential.Just complete the SB and play for a set, or look to hit a nut flush.....unless you expect to be able to get all-in when you bet out on the flop......or unless you want to tax lots of limpers and you have a monster that you can imagine betting out the pot with on the flop.Notwithstanding the above, I agree with Money here. Especially with such a sucky low. Remember, if you limp here and hit your set you will have great deception value.
People who get attached to AA too much are my friends :DIn PLO8, the only AA hands I tend to play agressively are AA with a wheel card...particularly with a 2 or 3.i way over value aces due to my holdem background -
I probably fold here. You may be getting 2 to 1 on your money, but the type of draw you have is not that good to hit/hold up against a set....which is a distinct possibility. You want to have wrap draws to call pot bets...not just OESD's. I highly doubt you're EV is greater than 1/3rd at this point.
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I agree.Also this was a key point.I think I would have raised preflop. A256 (ace suited) is a pretty good hand. As for postflop, I wouldn't slow down. Why? More often then not you are freerolling here. If he has a set you are more likely to hit your higher straight or flush.
You cant worry being behind too much here on the turn. I dunno if I would have stopped at 7 bets on the turn. Maybe up to 10 for me. River...yeah that sucks bad. I guess you can check/call here...but considering he has been asking questions on the game at the table...I might bet/call.This dude may think its like holdem and is terribly overvaluing AA....and sucked out on the river.He asked the guy on his left a few questions that made it clear he didn't know the game well at all. -
Burnnnnnnnnned! You're the insult master! (Aqua Teen Hunger Force quote)And you're right...nice example too.I've expanded this way more than it needs to be, with the hopes that you'll be able to follow and see why running it twice does not raise or lower your EV in any way at all. Your variance is reduced, but that's a complication more complex than you're probably ready for at this point. -
Depends on if he has made a move like this before in these 32 hands.If not...a fold is okay. If he has done this a few times already...call and pay off if he has it.
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it depends on your reads...if you sense that they have hands that would fold to the all-in at least 75% of the time and only call with an overpair more than maybe 10% of the time....it isn't a bad play. But I hoped you changed gears after that since you showed your cards. What did MP have....did you win?Live is more about playing the players anyway compared to online...so if you think you have a good read...nothing wrong with going with it.
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I am along similar lines...but I don't bother raising in LP if there are 3 limpers already....Even if you knock out the blinds...you are playing AA4 four handed = not good...unless you hit a set, JJx or 23.In Limit you raise AAJ4 to thin the field and for value.If you are shorthanded (actual or relative to your position) then a raise is good for both. At full ring, the more callers already in, the less "thinning value" your raise will have.In early position, I will raise this unless I have a VERY loose passive table when I will just limp - and if the button wakes up and raises I will make it 3 to try to get rid of some players in the middle.In late postion, with 4 or more callers before me, I will just call. 3 or less and I will raise - even if I can get rid of the blinds, that helps a lot, and at the very least I would like to get the button.Same basics apply in pot-limit, btw: this hand plays much better the fewer players you have. Mechanics may be a bit different though. -
With 3 callers the whole way....and then facing a bet and a call on the river...you should be able to fold even for 10-1. And if you would have won the pot, make sure you ***** out the caller not the bettor. lolYou could bet/fold or check/call otherwise, but I would only check/call if no one else called the bettor. And only call the bettor if you know he might bluff here. Most people don't bluff a lot in O/8.
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It's fairly reasonable. And the lower limit you play the more reasonable it is. If the guy is a solid player though...who wouldn't pot-raise without a big hand or draw....you should consider mucking it on an uncoordinated board. If the guy is a lagtard and willing to do this with only 2 pair, you have to pay him off if he has it.
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I think hogbird and dumbanimal try to work together to push people out of the pot. (Call it collusion or being dumb...depends on how effective they are overall). However they shouldn't have done so with such trash PLO hands. Definitely isn't worth the risk for the $250 they are trying to steal.Look at these limit hold 'em examples (taken from another forum):Here are a couple of the hands Gassit is the victim in hand one Hand #30428937-13526 at Owen Sound ($300/$600 Hold'em) Powered by UltimateBet Started at 02/Apr/06 05:22:12 GASSITT is at seat 0 with $31183. dumbanimal is at seat 2 with $15011.50. hogbird is at seat 3 with $22025. FooledUB is at seat 4 with $61296. The button is at seat 3. FooledUB posts the small blind of $150. GASSITT posts the big blind of $300. GASSITT: -- -- dumbanimal: -- -- hogbird: -- -- FooledUB: -- -- Pre-flop: dumbanimal raises to $600. hogbird re-raises to $900. FooledUB folds. GASSITT calls. dumbanimal re-raises to $1200. hogbird calls. GASSITT calls. Flop (board: 5c 4d 9d): GASSITT checks. dumbanimal bets $300. hogbird raises to $600. GASSITT calls. dumbanimal calls. Turn (board: 5c 4d 9d 2s): ZooCougar has disconnected, is dropped. GASSITT checks. dumbanimal bets $600. hogbird raises to $1200. GASSITT calls. dumbanimal re-raises to $1800. hogbird calls. GASSITT calls. River (board: 5c 4d 9d 2s 7h): GASSITT checks. dumbanimal bets $600. hogbird raises to $1200. GASSITT calls. dumbanimal folds. Showdown: hogbird shows Jh 8h. hogbird has Jh 8h 5c 9d 7h: jack high. GASSITT shows 5d 7d. GASSITT has 5d 7d 5c 9d 7h: two pair, sevens and fives. Hand #30428937-13526 Summary: $2 is raked from a pot of $13950. GASSITT wins $13948 with two pair, sevens and fives. This one is close NYPlayer is at seat 0 with $23383.50. dumbanimal is at seat 3 with $26521. piejay is at seat 4 with $14503.50. hogbird is at seat 5 with $36636. The button is at seat 3. piejay posts the small blind of $150. hogbird posts the big blind of $300. NYPlayer: Js Jh dumbanimal: -- -- piejay: -- -- hogbird: -- -- Pre-flop: NYPlayer raises to $600. dumbanimal re-raises to $900. piejay folds. hogbird calls. NYPlayer re-raises to $1200. dumbanimal calls. hogbird calls. Flop (board: 9d 9h 4d): hogbird checks. NYPlayer bets $300. dumbanimal calls. hogbird calls. Turn (board: 9d 9h 4d 8s): hogbird checks. NYPlayer bets $600. dumbanimal raises to $1200. hogbird re-raises to $1800. NYPlayer folds. dumbanimal re-raises to $2400. hogbird calls. River (board: 9d 9h 4d 8s 9c): hogbird checks. dumbanimal bets $600. hogbird calls. Showdown: dumbanimal shows Jd Td. dumbanimal has Jd Td 9d 9h 9c: three nines. hogbird shows Qh As. hogbird has Qh As 9d 9h 9c: three nines, ace kicker. These two, I think, are just blatant, especially given the pattern. Hand at Owen Sound ($300/$600 Hold'em) Powered by UltimateBet Started at 01/Apr/06 22:18:02 NYPlayer is at seat 0 with $24585.50. dumbanimal is at seat 3 with $25173. piejay is at seat 4 with $10233.50. hogbird is at seat 5 with $41064. The button is at seat 5. NYPlayer posts the small blind of $150. dumbanimal posts the big blind of $300. NYPlayer: 7h Kc dumbanimal: -- -- piejay: -- -- hogbird: -- -- Pre-flop: piejay raises to $600. hogbird calls. NYPlayer folds. dumbanimal calls. Flop (board: 6s Jh Jc): dumbanimal checks. piejay bets $300. hogbird calls. dumbanimal raises to $600. piejay folds. hogbird folds. dumbanimal is returned $300 (uncalled). Hand Summary: $2 is raked from a pot of $2850. dumbanimal wins $2848. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hand at Owen Sound ($300/$600 Hold'em) Powered by UltimateBet Started at 01/Apr/06 22:36:14 NYPlayer is at seat 0 with $19987.50. dumbanimal is at seat 3 with $18406. piejay is at seat 4 with $16370.50. hogbird is at seat 5 with $61203. The button is at seat 0. dumbanimal posts the small blind of $150. piejay posts the big blind of $300. NYPlayer: Th 9d dumbanimal: -- -- piejay: -- -- hogbird: -- -- Pre-flop: hogbird raises to $600. NYPlayer folds. dumbanimal re-raises to $900. piejay calls. hogbird calls. Flop (board: 8h 4c 6d): dumbanimal bets $300. piejay raises to $600. hogbird re-raises to $900. dumbanimal re-raises to $1200. piejay calls. hogbird calls. Turn (board: 8h 4c 6d Td): dumbanimal bets $600. piejay calls. hogbird raises to $1200. dumbanimal re-raises to $1800. piejay folds. hogbird calls. River (board: 8h 4c 6d Td 5c): dumbanimal bets $600. hogbird folds. dumbanimal is returned $600 (uncalled). Hand Summary: $2 is raked from a pot of $10500. dumbanimal wins $10498.
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check it....you gain little value from betting unless he is a horrible calling station....and you open yourself up to a possible bluff if you bet again.
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This is a good point. Middle set with no other possibilities is not good. You should only push when your high hand is less vulerable...(i.e. made boat on turn) Since you raised though....folding to the push is probably good...unless your friend is clueless about the game.call on flop (don't reraise), fold on turnYou do not want to make a big pot with such a vulnerable hand -
muck on 3rd being first to act after the bring-in. I really hate playing high pairs in Stud8 personally. I would only open-raise if I was one of the last to act, hoping to ante steal. 4th street on was alright though.Edit: one of your queens is dead!! Fold immediately.
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I would probably try to blind steal here. Post flop you played it okay....but I hate having naked top set with 2 connected lows. You're a dog against good drawing hands. Assuming your opponent put you on a naked set....this is a pretty clear chase for him.
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You gotta swim in the Pacific. Limit Omaha and Limit O8 is all they have. Game is a complete joke too.Usually there is a 1/2, 2/4 and 5/10 game going. Right now 2/4 or 3/6.People really misunderstand limit Omaha. A tight player can really profit from it.
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Yeah waiting for a safe turn card may be better here...because pushing the flop gives KK close to the right price to gamble. However, I don't mind the push because freerolling against a naked straight could be happening here too. You didn't make a bad play....but had a bit of bad luck.
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Also see this thread...including my post in it.http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...showtopic=54932
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