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If it's been happening a lot, I'd either reraise back, or call and then fire on the flop. Sometimes I take things too personally, though
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1st hand. No. If there was any time to fold it would have been the flop. I am not crazy about a fold there either, but if you are going to check-call the turn, you might as well do it on the river too. I have had people raise me with much weaker hands than two pair on a flop like that. He could, in fact, have ANY ace, not necessarily two pair. In a stronger game, a semi-bluff raise on the turn would probably be correct.2nd hand. He should have raised you on the flop. And the turn... He called a raise with a weak hand and played it like an idiot. Thank him first for calling your raise with that, then thanking him again for playing it so passively.is there a hand converter that works? I tried using the one in the sticky, but it put a bunch of weird script in there. I'm with Kdawg on this one.... why raise the turn on the first hand? I'm almost certainly behind, but I'm not raising for value. 1st hand, I lose to AT-- no surprise. Could I have folded the river?2nd hand, I lose to JTo, big surprise. -
I'm not sure if a (SW) was supposed to be attached to this post, but it's pretty silly. I play limit mostly because sometimes I have trouble keeping my focus 100% of the time and losing focus for a second at NL can be a disaster. I also know that most of the players that play limit at the rooms where I play are extremely loose preflop, and often fairly passive postflop. This makes for some decent pots when you make your draws and they are often happy to let you in on your draws because they don't reraise much. Overall, it makes for more decent sized pots than in the NL games where I've played.In NL, you often don't want to put a lot of money into the pot on a draw, knowing that you'll take a huge hit if it misses. It takes heart to play NL, but against players that are too bad to be bluffed, you have to show down a lot of hands to win. Variance is a killer here.If you have good self control and a lot of heart then you will make a ton of money in no limit in situations you may have lost in "chase"..uh I mean limit poker.Obviously most in this forum play limit because they have no heart and lack the intestinal fortitude to put it on the line in no limit. Coincidentally they are all the "best" players around in their own minds and wont hesitate to flame someone for playing a hand in the wrong position!!lmao. -
That's a well-disciplined bad streak. Some days the cards just don't fall right, despite your best efforts. Other days, you might be playing weak-tight because you took a bad beat early on and it hurt your confidence. If you can keep folding and not resort to playing trash, just because it's the best you've seen all night. The thing that separates the professionals from the recreational players is their ability to keep folding hands even when they feel like they have to force action to get back in the game. If you can get through a bad luck streak without blowing a sizeable portion of your bankroll then you are money ahead. If you are starting to feel frustration, switch tables or try a different game. I have been playing a lot of stud and limit O8 lately because it is easier for me psychologically to handle a game where I am expecting to get drawn out on. Knowing that one hand is not as big of a favorite over another hand preflop, or on 3rd street, it is easier for me to deal with the beats, since I realize that I was not that far ahead in the first place. I rarely raise with aces (in stud and O8), knowing that in a loose game that they are probably going to need improvement to win, and knowing that by not raising, I am disguising the fact that I have them.So, the long answer to your question is that bad streaks happen, and there is no way of saying what a long or a short one is. The key is to keep asking yourself "Am I playing good hands?" or "Am I chasing here?" Always assuming the worst in omaha is a fair survival instinct, but using your instinct to determine your opponents' hands will help you to reduce the number of times that you are throwing away the winner where it would have been correct to play on. I have gone whole nights without winning a pot and instead of doing the right thing and changing games, I got stubborn and tried to play on. That was a mistake. Bad days happen, but you don't have to handle them badly.I know this is totally unrelated, but I've been trying to figure out a good way to ask this question.What's a reasonable bad streak? I went 250 hands without scooping a pot outright a few days ago. I lost $20 in blinds and small pots over that stretch. -
Against aggressive opponents where you are unlikely to lose by having them back into a better hand, or a low, it is sometimes okay to slow play. I'd really only do it in position though, as in hold 'em, simply because you are less likely to get the hand checked down, or give away information when you are in position.As far as the AKK hand goes, the $1 bet is pretty suspicious, you'd probably be better off checking or potting. If I had been holding AA, I would have potted it on the turn, since your bets showed either extreme strength or extreme weakness, and chances are that he's not going to make any extra raising on the river if you are extremely weak. I'd say potting the turn makes more against strong hands than the dollar that you are likely to bet into him on the river. I wonder what he would have done if you'd reraised him on the river. If he had raised you back, he's another of those warm/fuzzy opponents. That means if you'd had quads (the actual nuts - to someone not holding one of the kings) instead of second best boat, he'd have paid you handsomely. His correct play against a reraise would have probably been to just call, knowing that he can beat everything except the hand that you are representing by reraising.
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Nobody had a wheel? You're right about waiting to get bet into with the nuts, but you will often make more money off of bad players by value betting marginal (but still best) hands by using superior reading ability. My only point was that making a pot sized bet would potentially give you information. For instance, if you pot it and then it gets raised, you know that you are against someone with a bigger set, an idiot (most likely case), or someone with an uncounterfeitable low. If the board pairs on the turn, you could really get hurt running into a set of 8s. The emphasis on the "pro" side of betting is gaining information or value betting while you are ahead. Yes, it is for only half of the pot, but if you are up against two people with the same low, you are getting 50 cents of every dollar they put in as opposed to the quarter that they are getting back. I understand the reasoning for checking, but I like to know where I am in a hand, and I think that betting would give me the most information. No need to explain the reason behind playing the hand either
I checked that as I was writing the first post, I said to myself, "What the heck was he... oh, I get it, BB..." -
I'd probably have put a bet in on the flop. You probably have the best high at this point, but if you get raised, it's probably not a terrible play to toss it. On the turn, it looked like you folded without a bet, though that could be the hand converter mangling. On the river, well, in a limit game, I might have gotten there, though having bet on the flop, it would have been easier for me to get there (bigger pot means better drawing odds, since if the board pairs, you are probably still okay). I just reread the title, and noticed that it was PL8. In that case, I'd bet the flop then fold to any kind of heavy action. There is no way I'm making it to the river there without my opponents acting stupid.Oh, I didn't notice the suits on the turn. In that case, you're right, hand over. I don't see a problem with betting the flop since you are either ahead (which makes it a good value bet), or you are way behind (which would make it a good probative bet). I would have bet the flop for information.If I was up against 567x, as you mentioned, I'm very happy, since that is a very lousy O8 starting hand, and I want my opponents holding stuff like that. In this case, obviously, it would not have been good, but I always get a warm feeling inside when I see that type of hand at showdown.
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What was your line of thought when you bet out on the flop? I am curious, not trying to be argumentative. This might be a question to ask yourself before you bet. Are you betting for value? No, you don't have anything. You have A6 for a high and a draw to the nut low. Are you betting for information? Apparently not, because when you get raised, you guess that you're up against A2 and "hope" that you won't have to share. Your goal is to scoop or 3/4 the pot, so hoping that you won't have to share a half is contrary to that goal. You COULD potentially make a profit if you got quartered in 4 way action, but that's only if your low gets there (and everyone else calls the big reraise on the flop, which they didn't). Your best move is to check the flop hoping for a free card (which you absolutely wouldn't have gotten, but it would have been cheaper to see the turn). If you decide to call the flop bet, check-fold the turn if your low doesn't get there. The only thing that making that small bet on the flop did was allow your opponent to protect his hand. By the turn, your equity has gone below 25% (22.6% according to my calculations) - 3 cards give you a quarter, 13 give you a low, and the other 16 lose. Meanwhile, the guy who made a straight on the river had 2 outs to scoop (non-spade queens), since the bottom of his straight brings a low. Anyway, the equity as I calculated it (assuming that I am interpreting the data correctly) on the turn is:P1 - 54.69%P9 - 10.94%P4 - 11.72%You - 22.66%Here, a fold might actually be correct mathematically. I am not 100% clear on the stack sizes, so I'm not sure. Based on your numbers though, about the predicted pot size, you are expecting to get $21.80 out of the pot on the average: not a great thing to throw more money at. If P4 had A
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as you suspected he might, your equity goes down to 12.5% on the turn and his goes up to 21.88%. On the flop, he's got 33.05% to your 20.93% which means that you'd have a pretty clear fold based on your read that he might have A2. Hope is not a good enough reason to stay in the pot, IMO. -
Chau is definitely a character. If you listen closely to him, you might be able to understand him. Some of the cracks that he makes are hilarious.
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Two broadway cards is a pretty coordinated board, you don't want to give someone a free draw to a gutshot. I don't want to give any free cards on a board like that.
On hand 2 I felt that board was uncoordinated enough, and I wanted him to catch something that he would call me with.bet the flop on hand 2, evrything else looks okay -
That's why you have to play at a table that lets you resplit aces.
Last time I did that, I got 2 more aces and both hands got beat by a 4 card 17.
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In a tournament, it is okay to limp with them sometimes (generally earlier in the tourney), since you really would like some action with them. I wouldn't recommend it often but a percentage of the time, I do it.
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I agree with that, raising in certain spots (like the blinds) will never really get anyone to fold in a loose low limit game. You DO want to play a multiway with them, since you have the best chance of winning and you'd rather get more money in the pot. That said, you don't raise with aces in low limit because you are trying to reduce the number of callers. You do it to get more money in the pot. There is nothing wrong with slow playing them from time to time, provided you can avoid massive tilt when they get cracked.
this is wrong. you don't always have to raise with aces in limit. at a super loose table with 6 people seeing each flop and you're in the BB with aces, why raise after everyone limps? no only are you giving away your hand but you are giving better odds to whoever will draw on the flop.i think saying ALWAYS is quite dangerous here.This is if you're playing NL. In Limit you should ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS raise or re-raise with aces. It is VITAL to isolate your big pair in limit... you don't wanna play a multiway with them. -
Conventional forum wisdom says raise with krablar preflop.If you are looking for a real answer, I'd probably have bet out on the flop. If he raises me, it's going to be a tough call, but there isn't really a reason to put him on an ace. Actually, if you'd raised preflop, it might be easier to represent an ace. You are out of position and might not get paid much hitting your flush. I'm not totally against folding to the big overbet on the flop.
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64 oz or 40?Olde English -
Split those every time.A-A -
In a live game, shout, "Wooohoo, aces!" then jam the pot. Online, type "Woohoo, aces!" then jam the pot.
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I usually drink a Corona (one) at the table as part of my table image. Yeah, table image, that's it.
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Barring some kind of freak accident, you are correct.
... and a man will win it for sure.Markholt is the ex-bull rider from the GSN shows. I predict that the winner will be the one that ends up with all of the chips at the end of the tournament. -
I alternate between leading and checking. If anyone shows any strength preflop or on the flop, step on the gas, you don't want to give a set or two pair free cards.
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fold. You're out of position and you have a trouble handnext hand, im sb with K10 S , guy in first position raises me to 3
raise the flop. When he raises you back, you'll realize that your hand is no good. You can throw it away and never look back. If he had AJ, would you be complaining?j x 3, rainbow, he bets, i call, i hit my A on the turn, raise, i re-reaise, he calls, river is X,
Bad luck. Only thing I'd do differently is move in on the turn (depending on my read of the guy). You made a bet that was less than half of the pot (almost 1/3). I'd have called you too, knowing that if a 10 or heart came, you're going to give me a nice big stack of chips.i have AA in first position, i call BB, sb raises to 4, i raise to 10, he calls, flop is 8 9 2 rainbow, he checks i raise to 20, he calls, turn is 3h, he checks i raise 15, he calls, river is 5h, he checks i raise 26, he calls, what does he turn over????? QJH, for a flush, -
Markholt is the ex-bull rider from the GSN shows. I predict that the winner will be the one that ends up with all of the chips at the end of the tournament.
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Losing is unlucky. Chopping is mildly irritating.
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They spell Socks with an x cuz they're close to the streetz (SW).White.. Socks??? Drawer?? :roll:
simple limit hold em scenario
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Suitedness only adds about 3% to the odds of a hand winning, suited or unsuited, I will often defend my blind with an ace.