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I don't think its a weak fold. It looks like the sb has a flush draw and the other villian has trips or a boat. With a board like that its hard to think of a hand that he could have that you beat. It looks like he flat calls the sb to see what you do, and you pretty much confirmed that you had an overpair. Once you represented the overpair then he wakes up with a big raise. It really looks like he has a boat and he's hoping you won't lay down your overpair. I think you gotta fold here.
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You silly math people. Looking at it that way, I think I agree that pushing is better than folding. Thanks for that Zach.
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Very interesting hand. My first reaction was to ship it in there but after thinking it through some more I'm not so sure. On my more conservative days I might just dump it if i really thought my opponent knew what he was doing. His play is so strange, it only makes sense for a move, either a really weird bluff, or a really strong made hand, more than one pair or a huge draw. If its a strong hand, the only real strong hands we want him to turn over are two pair. We don't have much fold equity against his likely hands that we're beating, the big draws, so if he has those we're just gambling. Yeah, the more I think about it the more I'm thinking folding is the best option. If he outplayed you then nh sir. I just can't picture a hand that would play like this that is folding to our push (outside of a weirdly played overpair or bluff), and if this is the case we're racing, at best.
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I agree with this also. This is where he would have told you what he had instead of you having to guess on the river. If he had a monster you could have expected a check raise, in which case you could have folded. If he had a hand you beat he would probably call or fold. But be aggressive with these hands, keep the betting lead, and make your opponents make the decisions instead of the opposite.Bet the turn ... hard. -
Its hard to tell for sure. Its probably a safe laydown, although I might pay it off just to see what he had. It could have been AA or KK played badly. It could have been QQ (played badly). It could have been him floating with AK, maybe even AcKc. It also looks a little like JJ or maybe 1010 (played badly). The more I think about it, the more I think I would call, even though I wouldn't make this call against a solid player. The reason is that his play is so weird I would pay for the information. If he has a hand we beat then good, if he has a hand we don't beat then you're reinforcing bad behavior from the villian. And you can use that to your advantage later. I make my money in NLHE because people misplay big pairs so much.I was playing the low level nl games the other day on FT and I was dealt Ks Qh. (i'm in the BB)Folded around to button who limps. SB makes the dreaded min raise. I call, button calls. Flop comes out Qc 4c 3h. SB checks, I bet 2/3 pot, button folds, SB calls. Turn 2h. SB checks, i check behind. River 8d. SB bets the pot. I think about it then fold. Was i completely off here in thinking he had me crushed the whole time? I'm just starting out in poker, and i'd like some other opinions as to what he may have held. Should i have bet the turn? Should i even have played the hand at all?Any advice would be helpful. Also, SB seemed to be a tighter player, but I had only been playing there for 20 minutes or so.Thanks -
I'm pretty sure I played this right, but I just want to see what you guys think because I keep getting thrown into these situations where I have a marginal hand and someone with a short stack gives me a lot of pressure. Since the casino I normally play at has only a short buy in max I need to make sure I'm playing these situations correctly. So in this hand, villian is relatively new to the table, there for less than an hour. In that time we've tangled in a number of pots, all of which I won, none of which got to show down, although I did show him one hand where I repopped him on the flop with an overpair to put it in his mind that I wasn't getting out of line. His game seemed relatively loose preflop when the pot was limped, and somewhat passive post flop. Haven't seen him do anything out of line yet, but I can tell he has a fundamental understanding of the game (which is better than 1/3 of the table). I'm probably viewed as LAG, and I have a very big stack, so I'm probably viewed as a bully as well.Stacks:Villian - ~ 300Me - ~ 1200PreflopUTG with A
Q I raise to 25, only villian calls in sb. When he called he hesitated and his body language made me think it wasn't an easy call. Perhaps a little gamble-type call that he knew he probably shouldn't make. Anyways, on to the flop...K 6 6 
Pot: 50Villian studies the flop like something about it is interesting for about 1 second and then checks. I lead for 40 (mistake after villian is clearly interested?), he quickly check raises 100 more. The tone of his voice and the way he put the money out was very defiantly, like he was acting strong and "taking a stand" against the bully. I felt like his most likely hand was a small pair. But, of course he could have a king or a 6. I thought those were unlikely given the way he was acting. Still, he was relatively new to the table, so I could have misread him. Easy push? -
Haven't read the responses yet, but I'm sure others will have said you've got to reraise before the flop. Since 6max is so aggro people don't give you as much credit for a big hand when you 3 bet, so when you have a big hand like AA or KK you have to punish them hard. Plus, by just calling you're out of position for the rest of the hand. Everytime you flat call with KK OOP a puppy gets drowned. I hope you're happy.I'm still very new to 6 max, and getting over how aggro it is.Been sitting for about 10 minutes, haven't shown down a hand yet, stole the blinds once or twice, and took down a pot on the flop with a cbet, overrall have a v tight image, villain has been raising a lot of potsPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Button ($68.90)Hero ($50)BB ($84.40)UTG ($131.70)MP =#A500AF(Villain)/ ($138.25)CO ($99.85)Preflop: Hero is SB with K , K . 1 fold, MP =#A500AF(Villain)/ raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.50, 1 fold.Flop: ($9) Q , T , 8 
(2 players)Hero checks, Villain bets $6, Hero raises to $15, Villain raises to $134.25, Hero calls $31 (All-In).Turn: ($189.25) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)River: ($189.25) A (2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: $189.25I'm shortstacked and committed to the pot on the flop c/r. I call pf because of how tight my image is, I know he'll fold if I raise and I know he'll cbet the flop hard.Did I play this bad?What if I have a full stack, what do you do on the flop? -
I agree with the others. Bet more on the flop. Even though you still have ace high you effectively hit a decent flop for your hand. Bet it like you mean it. If you bet small like you did you don't really define your hand and the villians' hands. You don't know if UTG is there with 88 or QsJs. As played, on the turn, move in. You might move UTG off a better hand, which obviously increases your equity significantly. Just move in, spike a spade and call it good.
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I'll take the under. I say it was the backdoor two pair draw.Chasing gutshots that hit on the river, i'm guessing? -
Not surprised, but I gotta hear this story.True story.Two completely seperate people got thrown out of the I.P. poker room for threatening to kill me within a three hour period a few years ago. One totally could have. The other was a woman.
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I'll be there with my wife June 14 - 18 for my brother's wedding, although we'll have a couple of days off. And then again June 1 - 5, where we'll be more free. Not playing any events but I'll be lurking in the cash games.
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From the OP description of villian, is it outside the realm of possibility that he has some weird two pair hand, like Q-4 then he's now value betting? Would he call the turn with that type of hand? If he's willing to call an allin with J-3s I'm not sure we can rule this out, which adds more weight to the "call" arguement.
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I would probably raise the flop because you have 6 people in the hand. Someone is likely to have something that they want to see the turn with, especially at the 1/2 level. If they don't have something you weren't likely to get paid big anyways. My thinking when I flop a set isn't "how can I get an extra bet or two out of a weak hand", but "how can I can all of someone's money who has a second best hand". If no one wants to play with me, oh well, move on to the next hand. On the turn I would push. If he stuck around with a-3 or 6-3 you still have 10 outs to improve. Even if you don't improve, you have a guy who made a bad call on the flop and just got rewarded for it, and he just sat down. So there will likely be more opportunities to bust him later. If you just call the turn and a king comes it depends on what he does but you're likely getting the money in here.so 1-2NL a couple hours in and i am sitting with 570 (up 370). new guy sits down at the table in the big blind. this games a little crazy and its really easy to pick people off. guy puts a strattel on for 4, i am in middle position with 2-2. one caller to me , i call, button calls, sb calls, bb calls, strattel checks. (how do you spell strattel??? holy macoral how do you spell macoral???). ok flop comes 2-5-Q rainbow. checks to the strattel who bets 8. now he is really dumb and bad but i want the pot to be bigger for when i raise him, because i want him to think that theres too much money in the pot. and hell just be more confuzed. anyways big blind who just sat down calls. turn is a 4 so A-3 is a straight and 3-6 is a straight. bb checks strattel bets 8 i raise to 30, bb raises 70 more. what do you do here??? he had 95 left. no read on this one. if you call and the river comes a K what then??? -
I agree. I'm glad you said it because I thought I was taking crazy pills or something.Am I losing my mind, or did this exact hand not get posted like a week ago? lol -
Ok, so lead the flop is the general concensus. If I lead the flop and CO just calls, do I continue to lead assuming I'm ahead? If they raise my flop bet is it an auto muck?
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Sorry. Didn't see that. I guess you have to be smarter than the converter...Hint: You gotta click the box to include stacks. If you save your settings once, you'll never have to do it again.Bonus Hint: Change the format to FCP. Again, save your settings and you'll never have to do it again. -
Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.10/$0.258 playersConverterPre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP1 with
:D UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.5, Hero raises to $2, MP2 folds, CO calls, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls.Flop: ($6.35, 3 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO bets $0.25, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $5.25, CO raises all-in $21.25, UTG+1 folds, Hero folds.Uncalled bets: $16 returned to CO.Results:Final pot: $17.1Converter didn't include stacks for some reason and I can't remember them exactly. But here's my best guess:UTG +1 ~10CO ~20Hero coversNo real solid reads. UTG +1 had just joined the table. CO didn't really play a hand that I had seen. I had been playing TAG, but I had been getting some hands so I was raising a lot, but taking most down without showing. The one key hand that happened recently was a short stacked player who had just lost most of their stack to a two outer raised in the sb, I reraised in BB with 88 and we got it all in. She had JJ and i delivered another two outer to her. Anyways, I know that once the CO moves in on the flop I'm done and its an easy fold. But did I play the hand ok up to that point? I reraise preflop to get heads up with a short stack in position. CO's flat call scares me a bit. I figure he's solid so I give him a range of 1010+ (although probably not AA or KK), AK, and maybe AQs if he's a little less solid than I thought or he thinks that I reraise light. Is this a reasonable range to assignment him? The flop is horrible for my hand. I'm beating nothing that will give me action. So I checked to see what the CO would do. The min bet confused me, so I thought I'd raise to see where I was at. With the flush draw out there I didn't want to reraise too small though (even though I think its unlikely I'm up against two hearts). Should I have raised at all? Basically I just want to know if this is standard. -
Exactly, without a read there's no way you can make this call. But sometimes you make them. NHI guess there's not point in waiting to write the result because it is VERY read dependant and everyone will say fold without a STRONG read. I did call and he turned over 24.
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Its really hard to give specific advice without specific hands/situations to point out leaks. I can make a couple of generalizations though. First off, tournament strategy, as you've found, obviously is not a good way to play cash games. In general tournament players don't do well in cash games (see Phil Helmuth). That being said, it doesn't mean you have to play TAG to be successful, although at the lower stakes it is probably the best move. You can be successful by playing LAG-gy at the lower stakes. The key is to remember that in cash games you're not in a rush to win pots and accumulate chips like you are in tournaments. The blinds don't go up, so you can be patient and wait for good situations. From your description you sound like the type who falls into the "i need to win every pot i'm in" crowd (Zach's favorite). I was like this a lot too, but found it was a HUGE leak in my game. I made bluffs in situations that just didn't make sense and couldn't understand why these donkeys were calling me down with such weak garbage, when in truth I was the sucker. I found that the key is to maintain aggressiveness but know when to back down and let your opponents take the pot. You're going to be outplayed sometimes, and that's fine. Just be patient and wait for the good situations to come up and then you'll come out on top. Finally, I would suggest that you get involved in a forum like this one. You'll learn a ton from listening to people and offering your own opinions for others to comment on. Then find some hands that you played that are interesting or you have questions about and post them to see what people think. That's really the best way to learn. So just keep at it and get involved in the forums. Good luck!Let me give a little pretext to where i am at currently.About 8-9 months ago, i started to play on Stars again after a hiatus of sorts. I dabbled with tuorneys, did well, and took my $150 roll to the $25 NL tables. I played a very different game back at that time. I did not raise much preflop, and sort just tried to wait around for hands, trap alot with sets or large pairs preflop, etc.I didn't make too much before i decided to try $50 NL (6 max) with a $250 BR. Believe it or not, this style allowed me to hover around the same mark, going up and down between $200- $400, for about the period of a month and a half. I just wasn't making any consistent money. Before i moved to stars, i was playing at CDpoker, and just playing Weak tight some days and attempts at TAG other days, i made consistent money.So, long story short, i eventually went busto playing $50 NL after i ran my BR up to $800 (after having a monster luckbox session) and then going cold, and going on tilt bad.I decided to regroup, read HOH 1 and 2, and start playing SNGS.I started playing Sngs and doing really well. I have a %50 ROI on stars thru 400 games, with my average stake of $4. Every now and then, i would go back to $25NL full ring (as a friend suggested i learn full ring first, and as i stayed the hell away from 50 NL because i was starting to realize my weak tight strategy of playing would not suffice well) and i would try to incorporate the aggressiveness i used in SNGs in the cash games. Well, eventually, i would lose in the cash games at full ring (and my BR would take a huge hit) because i was being over-aggressive and pple were laying traps right and left for me.I decided that my style was more equiped for tournaments and just to try and stick to tournaments as much as i could.Well, i hit a rough patch of variance with the SNGs and tourneys recently, so i tried to go back to cash games at 6 max again to 1) try to rebuild my roll 2) to give cash games one more shot at 6 maxI wasn't looking forward to this because i didnt like playing such low limits. But i had no choice. So, that is where i have been at the last 3 weeks or so, playing $10NL. I've been trying to play aggressive preflop and i make continuation bets when appropriate. Overall, my game is very aggressive at $10 NL, and i realize that I get by with alot at 10NL (not getting re-reaised preflop, pple slowplay way too much, etc) because its the nature of the beast, pple are very cheap at 10NL it seems, and the ones that decide to play back at you or call you really have no clue how good their hand is, etc.So right now, i have $400 in my account. I've played approximitely 20-30k hands during this stretch. Ideally, i would like to bring my account up to $600-$700 before i move up to $25NL. I realize that this might be waiting to long to move up, but i feel that i might need some time/money to adjust my level of pre and post flop aggression and CB's. And here's why. I tried to play one table of $25NL each of my last two sessions and i ran bad. I lost 2.5 full buy ins over that stretch, i had a couple of coolers during that stretch (flush vs. boat, KK v. AA, AA cracked) but i also felt there were times were my opponents just weren't going anywhere with their mid pairs and gutshots even after making signicant bets on the flop and turn. Again, i realize that i cant just be super aggressive at 25NL like i was at 10 NL and i realize i cant CB everything and take it down %80 of the time like i was in 10NL. So my question is, what are the areas that i need to tighten up with the most? Do i need to switch from LAG to a more TAG ish style at 25NL, that way my pf rereraises and CB's and double barrels will get more respect?Also, I dont have the program that shows your opponents three numbers (such as VPIP, or the other two, i'm ashamed to admit i dont even know what they are) Do i need to invest in this now, and does it really make that much of a difference when mulitabling these cash tables? Thanks for all input provided. I just want to get better thats all. I realize that i have so much more to learn, and i realize they are things that i might still be doing wrong, but hopefully you guys can point me in the right direction. -
As you pointed out this is player/read dependent. Bascially in any decision in hold em you have to consider a number of factors:1. Your read on the opponent. Are they loose or tight? Are they passive or aggressive? These are general terms but you should turn them into specifics for opponents. Sometimes opponents will be aggressive in protecting one pair hands but passive in playing draws. Sometimes the opposite. You have to know your opponents and their tendencies in certain situations. Obviously against a loose and aggressive opponent you're more likely to play your TPTK but against a tight passive player, when they raise, its unlikely your hand is best. 2. Your opponents view of you. Obviously not how you really play, but how your opponents think you play. Have you been raising a lot of pots on the button and CO? Have you been c-betting after you raise a lot? Have you folded for the last hour? All of these things come into play. Tight players sometimes make loose plays against people they think are getting out of line. 3. Recent history. This is in line with the above two, but includes things like is the villian getting bullied a lot? Are they on tilt? Have you or others been raising their blind/button a lot and now they are just playing back? 4. The villians reasonable holdings. This is based on their playing style but you use some logic to narrow down their possible holdings. For example, in the second hand, on a ten high board it would be unlikely that they would have an overpair in that spot unless they are a tricky player because the only over pairs are big pairs JJ+. If the opponent isn't tricky then I would rule out an overpair as a reasonable possibility. Some players would raise on that board with a middle pair though, like 88 or 99. Is that reasonable for your villian? Perhaps. Is the villian loose enough to call a LP bet with a trash hand like a sooooooted 7-2 or 10-5? Would they call with a suited connector like 8-7 or 4-5? Would they reraise preflop with 10-10? 5. Stack sizes. If the stacks are short you're more inclined to go with the hand and play it more aggressively. If you're deep, like in the examples you have more options. You could just call the raise and control the pot size. Or you could raise to better define your hand. Be careful being aggressive with one pair hands in deep stack situations though, because, obviously, you have more to lose. 6. Physical tells. These are pretty self-explanatory and are opponent dependent. Its a lot to think about at first, but with practice you will find it will become second nature. Poker is a game of information so keep collecting it while you're playing and you'll be better equipped when these times come. Or, you could just bring a magic 8 ball to the table, which i've found to be quite effective.Hi folks, as you know, I am relatively new to poker. I feel pretty good about my game, but there is one situation, where I always feel bad about. Getting raised on the flop.Here are some examples so that you can see what I mean.1)Lets say you are on the Button and evryone folded to you. You pick up A 8 and decide to pick up the blinds and raise to 4$ (BB=1$) The SB folds but the BB calls.The Flop comes 8 7 2 :diamond:The BB checks, you bet out potsized to protect your TPTK and then the BB reraises. Is he on a flush Draw, did he hit a set, called he preflop with an Overpair.......2) Same Blinds but you are on the CO with A T and the Button calls your 4$Flop: T 4 5 :diamond:You bet out and got raisedWhat do you in this situation: Do you come over the Top with only One-Pair, do you call, do you fold....?I knoe it depends a lot of stacks and the opponent. Lets say we are both very deep.To the opponent I would like to hear a opnion from you better players to two different type of players: The aggressive "Draw-Raiser" and "The tight player".So the question is, what do you do in Hand#1 and #2 against these two different players...?Please help. -
No you're not the only one. I don't mind the raise myself, but its not the preflop action that is the problem. Its the postflop action. Passive players are generally easy to outplay because they will usually tell you when you are beat. This passive player was screaming that he had the best hand, the hero just wasn't listening.Am i the only one who folds this pre-flop? I don't quite understand your logic here, you call this player passive, and you believe you can outplay him.. yet he check raised you, and now he's reraising the hell out of you on the flop, yes the raises aren't big, but doesn't that flash a big sign to you that he has a set? You're probably only drawing to a flush here. If i were going to do anything i'd just call his first raise.. and dump it to a big bet on the turn unless you don't improve.. -
As an aside, I would have raised a little more preflop. After two limpers, only raising 3x the BB makes it two juicy for them to fold any hand they limped with, therefore making it harder to define their hands. Anyways, I would move it in here. You have to protect your hand against his most likely hand, a draw.No read to speak of really. UTG is a little LAG, but UTG+1 has not done anything out of line or strange to speak of.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)CO ($15)Button ($5.60)SB ($13.15)BB ($15.35)UTG ($3.25)UTG+1 ($7.40)MP1 ($19.95)MP2 ($10.20)Hero ($7.75)Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J
, A. UTG calls $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.3, 3 folds, BB calls $0.20, UTG calls $0.20, UTG+1 calls $0.20.Flop: ($1.25) J
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, 4(4 players)BB checks, UTG bets $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2, BB folds, UTG raises to $2.95, UTG+1 calls $2.70, Hero calls $0.95.Turn: ($10.10) 8
(3 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero = ??. It feels with his lack of aggression that he has a flush draw, and possibly a pair. If I go all-in, he'll be getting 3:1+ which would be mathematically wrong for the flush draw, but if he has a pair too he'll almost certainly call because the pot is too big. I feel kind of like the rest of the pot is lost to a set or two pair, but do I shove here to make him pay for his flush knowing he almost certainly will call, or do I just try to get out of this hand cheaply and check? It may look like an easy decision but it has my head spinning a bit. -
Still, I think its a fold. A TAG may be bluffing, but if he's solid he's not putting it in with AJ here. Best case for you would be that he has a big draw. If you check raise and he pushes then you're either way behind or barely ahead IMO.You're confused...I said button is TAG...limper who i raised is passive.. -
Without a read, it seems pretty standard to me.I just got there so no read GAME #546765522: Texas Hold'em NL $0.25/$0.50 2007-05-08 21:10:55Table LouwsburgSeat 1: Villain ($53.72 in chips) COSeat 5: BTN ($15.00 in chips) DEALERSeat 6: Hero ($50.00 in chips) SBSeat 8: BBl ($39.50 in chips)Seat 10: UTG ($64.75 in chips)Dealt to thom1977 [Qc Qh]UTG: FoldCO: Call $0.50BTN: FoldHero: Raise $2.00BB: FoldVillain: Call $1.75*** FLOP *** [Qd 8d 7d]Hero: Bet $3.50Villain: Raise $7.00Hero: Raise $18.00Villain: Allin $44.47Hero: Allin $26.25
Is This A Weak Fold With Kk?
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