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The difference between the two uses of appreciate was pretty clear for anyone to see. Your first post offered nothing of substance, hence a sarcastic appreciate. However, I would actually appreciate legitimate feedback. That seems to be beneath you and that is fine too. As for the "witty" remark regarding reads on a non-existent player, why is that any different than assuming the non-existent player is betting the nuts with the top draw there (literally the only hand that is worrisome). I stand by the argument that it is more likely a bluff gets bet like that than a player with the nuts and the redraw to the flush. But again, if you have actual insight to share, I would be interested in reading it.If you want to just fire off another criticism, so be it.Well I suppose I can just quote this post, then. It illustrates just as clearly how lost you are on how to think about this situation as the last few posts. If you don't yet understand that there are theoretical spots you should fold on the turn with the nuts in hold em, you're not going to get it from any input I can give. Plus, your first usage of the word appreciate makes me think that your second one is a bit insincere anyway.Oh, and I love that you have a read on a theoretical, non-existent player's bluff frequencies. -
Thank you for contributing no content. It is appreciated.You quoted a post that was before Sparco's comments to me, so it would be fairly hard for me to misinterpret his statements. As for the last line, my point is that I make the call. I don't think that having some fear based on the size of the pot indicates that my point is undercut. When I have four of a kind on a board that is paired twice, I will always have some fear calling 800 BBs that the huge bet indicates my opponent has a better 4 of a kind. Here, where I have the nuts, I am always calling. It doesn't mean that I won't be scared (likely my fear will be that my opponent will turn over a set or a flush draw and I will have to fade a lot of outs). There is always some concern about losing a hand unless you have the nuts on the river. I just don't (or try not to) let that fear dictate my play. I would appreciate any actual insight that you have on this discussion. If the argument is just on the call, I still am of the opinion that a bluff is far more likely than an 800 bb bet with the AXhh.You couldn't really have misunderstood Sparco's points any more than you did, I don't think. And this last line kind of negates the whole rest of your argument on the theoretical hand, doesn't it? -
I don't think that any of the numbers in your thread hold water. As you acknowledged, the AXhh hand is almost certainly not going to be played that way and is the only hand that I am scared of in this situation. Thus, with the scenario as presented I am calling. I think that a bluff is more likely than the AXhh being played that way.Maybe you should think about it a bit longer than a second... you should really fold.Let us assume this is a thinking player who will never bluff here, so that he has an ace 100% of the time. Even if he does this with any ace, 1/3 of the time he will have the ace of hearts. (Actually, this would be a bad decision on his part, and he should not do this if he doesn't have the Ah, but let's say he's not clever enough to realize this.)There are then 10 hearts left in the deck, out of 45 unknown cards. So 2/9 of the time that his ace is the Ah, his second card will be a heart as well. Together, that means that 2/27 of the time he will have the flush draw.If this is the case, there are 9 hearts left out of 44 possible river cards. His flush will get there 9/44 of the time.In other words, you will lose the pot 2/27 * 9/44 = 1/66 of the time. When you do not lose, you will win 1 BB and split the rest of the pot. When you do lose, you lose 800BB. That's an expected value of65/66 - 800/66 = -735/66That is, by calling, you lose more than 11BB.This is assuming that our opponent is equally likely to have all ace high hands. In fact, this move is only profitable for him if he has a suited ace, so if he's smart enough to realize that, you are going to be behind a lot larger percentage of the time, and lose a lot more. If he only makes this move with Ahxh, you will lose almost 20% of the time, for a net negative EV of more than 150BB.Of course, this is a very unrealistic situation, but there are actually realistic situations where this kind of reasoning becomes relevant. It is intuitively very clear that the EPT hand is not one of those situations - it is indeed a snap call. However, I don't think we can blame Hruby for taking a few seconds to convince himself that this is the case. (If, of course, that was what he was thinking about.) -
The answer is yes, I call. But I might think about it for a second in that situation. That said, your example if pretty much a complete bastardization of what actually happened (and yes, I understand that you are challenging the assertion that it is always a call with the nuts). 1) in DN's situation, Hruby had the nuts with both hole cards, which is far less likely to be a split with another player with 6-7 than it is that another player has just an A as in your example; 2) the betting and proportions in your example are obviously far beyond extreme and unrealistic, whereas the betting in the pot at issue was pretty standard; 3) the board in the actual hand was much less draw laden than the board at issue in your scenario. In other words, I still call with the nuts and try to fade the draw (though I admit I might be scared of doing so with the money on the line in your scenario because of the risk of AXhh).Theoretically...if you have As6d on a board of KhQhJdTc and a guy shoves 800bb into a 2bb pot...do you call? -
I can't question the intention element, but I have to disagree that there is ever a good occassion to fold the nuts on the turn in hold'em and certainly not with the action that was in this hand. Even with a flush draw out there it is terribly -EV to fold the nuts on the chance that your opponent also has the nuts and a draw (especially when there are two other players in the pot). As for your hand, it is not at all analogous. First, KK is not the absolute nuts and the hand was preflop. Secondly, if you quickly checked your hand to confirm your holding that is far different than taking a fair amount of time and doing so on a turn after you called the flop hoping to hit the exact card that came out. What happened to DN was shady and while I don't think there was necessarily any ill will, that doesn't change the shadiness in my mind.Two remarks:1) There are actually cases where, even if you have the nuts on the turn, a fold is still good. I remember a discussion a year or so back where someone folded the nut straight on the turn to a huge overshove, simply because most of villains range consisted of that same straight with an additional possible flush draw, so he would usually split the pot and sometimes lose it. Of course, this reasoning would clearly not justify a fold in this hand, but it may have been one of the reasons why Hruby took a bit of time.2) This hand determined to a large extent who would win a boatload of money. Those are the kind of circumstances where people function a bit differently than in normal situations. Also, you experience things differently. An example from my own experience: the deciding hand in my WSOP victory was an all in preflop with KK>JJ. KK is a hand I would obviously snapcall with in any normal situation, but in this case when my opponent shoved, my first reaction was not to yell "call!" - it was to double check my cards to see if I had not misread my hand. Of course, that only took half a second, after which I did immediately call, but it's something I would never have done in a normal tournament. Vice versa, my opponent let me know after the hand that he did experience this as a slowroll -- clearly not a malicious one, but once I looked at my cards, he was sure that I did not have him crushed, so it got his hopes up -- only for them to be crushed half a second later. The point is that in this case, I don't think anyone will accuse me of purposefully slowrolling the guy, but at the same time, nobody can really blame him for feeling slowrolled.In the EPT hand, similarly, I really wouldn't blame Daniel for experiencing this as a slowroll. In his case, the money was of course not life changing, but I think the chance of winning his first EPT and surpassing Ivey on the money list still means a lot to him. Of course, he still could have handled it better by not mentioning it at all - or at least not in front of the cameras. As for Hruby, it's impossible to know for sure whether his intentions were bad or not, but even though he took a strangely long time for someone this experienced, I can still imagine that this was just a case of the circumstances being very different from the ones he usually plays under, and that there was no bad intent at all. -
I tend to agree Sprung. I am not trying to pick nits DNA, but why couldn't the hand be recreated. You knew all the cards (as you were able to post them here), so why couldn't you have pulled them out of the muck and then shuffled and then put out a river. I guess I just don't understand the thinking on the decision (and not just from the bar league perspective, mainly because I don't know why an all-in player who protected his hand is getting punished).Are you serious? This is an awful awful awful awful awful idea. "Sorry you got it in with the nuts, but we're punishing you and saving the other player!"The correct ruling for a bar league is definitely the one that keeps everyone happy. Recreate the board, reshuffle the muck, and proceed with the hand. Or if it is a super casual league ask the two players involved what they would like to do to make the situation right. -
Cashed in the HORSE and got knocked out by getting my ass kicked in Razz just after the bubble burst.
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I am still in the HORSE Tournament (Event #4), which resumes today at 3 p.m.
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Is there a standard start time for the second day of the tournaments? I am planning on playing in one or two events, but need to balance my schedule. So for example, if I play the PLO with rebuys starting at 5 on October 18, what time does day 2 start? Can anyone answer this (preferably without making a joke about me not making day 2 anyways)?Planning on going there for all the tourneys. Should be fun seeing all you guys and hopefully trying to ship an event for the third straight year.
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I watch every episode, so take my comments with a grain of salt as I am not dragging the ratings down, but I find this year's broadcasts to be very dry. The jokes seem a little bit stale and it seems like the poker and characters have been less entertaining. Norm Chad has been recycling material for 7 years and I think I am just getting sick of it. Perhaps others are too. After all, there is not a ton of strategy (though there is some) to be derived, so if the entertainment value suffers so to do the ratings.
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To be fair, in the same post he said he had not heard of Dwan till just over a year ago. I think his credibility was shot at that point.lol @ her being cute. These are probably the same people who say Vanessa Russou is not. Annette has a shitty personality anyway.....Very condescending attitude. -
I think you are wrong and I think DNA's advice here was good.I may be wrong but I think it is okay for someone to take over if you have a power outage/internet failiure.I'd probably ship 1/2 your profit on the session or so. No set rules for this kinda thing. -
49 really????????wowhappy belatedHey, nice, thanks, folks! 49 years is pretty young for a planet, I know, and I have a lot of tectonic forming to accomplish before I can call myself complete. Perhaps Stars RNG will be good to me today (no river A for them clowns that calls down my pp with A-rag :-).Anyway, being that my popularity, esp in the Tourney and BB forums, is at an all-time high, I'd just like to say thank you to a community I have been with for more than 5 years. Old dogs really can learn new tricks; they just don't necessarily process the info the expected way...such is life with a brain that has no dead ends...Note to self: Stop making weird-ass posts that imply a cosmically-based outlook. It confuses and irritates people. Luvs ya FCP!PS: Good luck DN in the high roller HU... -
I thought that at first, but is the 9 really that scary? There are so many other holdings that have him beat that I have trouble believing he thought it was the 9 that did him in. I almost think he took a line that said if he got called on the turn he was shutting down unless the river was an A (which still wouldn't have helped him)Scary 9 ftw -
I think Ivey does pride himself on generally being a good person and being a role model, etc. At least I have no reason to believe otherwise.But I am pretty sure, based on everything I have read or heard, that he does not worry about accolades and is more worried about living his life. He unquestionably deserves induction and I am sure he will appreciate it, but I also don't think it matters to him all that much (other than perhaps being offended that PH was honored, but he wasn't). Also, to the extent that he does care, I still maintain that he won't care "more" in a few years.Disagree about Ivey not caring.He talks about how special having the Ivey Room at Aria named after him is and how he hopes to be a role model and stuffYes I know he gets paid for the Aria deal and the HOF would not involve him being compensated -
More to whom? I don't think Ivey really cares all that much about induction now and I doubt he will later (or at least not until much much later).because normally hall of famers are inducted or nominated as inductees when they are at the end of their careersivey has records to smash. when he IS inducted it will mean much more at 'that' timemcevoy is a c*nt -
This. AINEC.I hear the argument about how hall of fame induction normally occurs at the end of a career, but poker is clearly different because age does not limit a career (though it could affect effectiveness). In baseball, hockey, etc. a player deteriorates with age and so there will always be a retirement and then the 5 year window could run.If everyone agrees Ivey is the top choice, he should be inducted now, rather than punishing him for not yet being retired. Needless to say, I selected Ivey. Also, Mercury69, you try too hard and you aren't funny.Not sure how Ivey isn't the unanimous winner. Why do we have to wait till people are 50+? Some of those options are complete jokes. Mcevoy?? Really??? -
You must be doing something right.Cool? -
Winner.
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I think that everyone in this thread understands your frustration and where you are coming from. But the reality is that the advise you were given is not surprising and was not really particularly rude or unsatisfactory. You didn't listen to their e-mail (about sending them an email on the money transfer) and you flew off the handle when you didn't get your way.Someone not doing what you ask is not the same as being disrespected.At this point, your best bet if to send them the requisite email regarding the transfer of money, apologize for your rude and hasty email, request that they reconsider their decision, and then prepare for life onyour old account.Hello Susanne, Wow, I didn't think I could be treated with more disrespect until I opened your email. While I understand your policy, I find it incredibly hard to believe that you don't care to take care of my request. Not only that in your reply you wrote:"We appreciate your understanding, and if you have any further questions, please feel free to ask."This leads me to believe one of a few options. A:) You didn't read my email through completely or B:) You don't care to try and support me in any way. I believe this because I had plenty of other concerns and questions stated in my email (such as where my money is that I uploaded recently onto your site). The only issue that was resolved was you sending me the basically the same email I got before I sent mine. This is absolutely unacceptable. I would like to be put in correspondence with your supervisor and I would also like my requests to be met with a general respect. I would at least like you to acknowledge my concerns and put my mind at ease. Your job as a customer service representative is to make sure I am happy. I realize that you have millions of players and the loss of one doesn't matter to you but running a business this way is sure to be destructive and is a recipe for disaster. Please reply with the email address of your supervisor so I can send him the past emails that I have saved as well as a record of the times I have played on both accounts so we can get this cleared up. Anthony -
почему сделал Вы включаете этот смешной пост о юмористических ошибках переводаExactly right - everyone knows that automatic translations are always spot on and never unintentionally hillarious. What was the OP thinking not using a google translation right away? -
So that I am clear, your contention is that a random poker forum is a better source than a translator on Google? He indicated that he wanted to confirm the translation was correct..... meaning that he already had sense of the translation. Thus, the potential for unintentional errors was mitigated. Moreover, there are dozens of better places to get a translator than this forum. And my comment was based more on the reaction than anything else.Exactly right - everyone knows that automatic translations are always spot on and never unintentionally hillarious. What was the OP thinking not using a google translation right away? -
It was way easier to ignore Google, post the question on a poker forum, then rip on the forum when it was not answered in 30 minutes. You sir, can take your helpful solutions elsewhere.....http://translate.google.com/#en|ru|can translate easily, check the language filter translator. free from google and it rocks. you can translate whole documents. -
Owned? (both of us that is)They're both acting like ******* ****** in this thread and I would appreciate it if they stop.
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