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I do think the strike zone shouldn't be called by humans anymore. You would still have an umpire back there for hit batters, foul tips, stepping out of the batter's box, etc., so the union wouldn't complain about loss of jobs.
How quickly could the strike zone box relay a signal to the umpire to say if it's a strike? Like he wears a buzzer and it buzzes for every pitch in the strike zone. The umpire would still be back there giving the strike call and the emphatic strike three calls, but the only difference is that he isn't the one making the determination.
100% this forever. Zero judgment. Perfection.
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I don't think it should be equal, but I do think there should be a cap ($10,000 to $20,000/yr). That way (as mentioned previously) the rich schools can't "buy" their teams.
I also think there should be factors that determine how much each athlete makes. Things like performance and possibly even GPA.
Finally whatever they do get paid shouldn't be a huge amount. As is, I think athletes are highly overpaid, and giving these kids "baller money" probably isn't a great idea.
Schools already try to legally buy teams. Good recruiters and coaching staffs aren't cheap, and holy crap Oregon. Have you seen their model? Spend more on facilities and uniforms every year than NASA's budget. And every professional team does it. Salary caps just artificially keep money in management's pocket.
As for the second part, why do you care how much the market values athletes? I mean, do you just really REALLY love ownership groups or something? You think the Steinbrenners, Cubans, and Lorias of the world are severely under compensated? Oh, and the reason Sklansky keeps making this racial is cause you say stuff like baller money, and put "baller" in quotes, which, you, has some racial connotations.
In my perfect world, all athletes would earn the same amount (by position). Maybe something like $500k/yr (for kickers) up to $10m/yr (for QB's) Then at the end of each season, they can get bonus money based on achievements/stats. I'm just tired of seeing these guys sign huge deals, and then be unable to back it up when the season starts. Joe Flacco is a good example. He won the superbowl and was flawless in the playoffs. That's definitely deserving of some extra money in the bank in the form of a bonus. However, looking at his stats for this season so far, I can't be convinced that he's actually worth 6 years/$120 million.
How do you feel about players that sign reasonable deals, and then outperform their contracts by tens of millions of dollars? Or players on the rookie wage scale, who have the amount they can earn capped? Or football contracts, that can be voided by ownership for any reason?
It sounds like you believe owners should assume none of the risk, which is batshit. You know what? I don't think Flacco is worth 6/120 either, but, first of all, only a fraction of that is guaranteed, and there is no way he's earning it all. Second of all, nobody held a gun to the Ravens head. They made a rash and terrible business decision. How is that not their responsibility?
I'm not saying it's entirely the player's fault, but they do play a part in contract negotiations.
I just don't agree with paying them a ton of future money for past accomplishments.
It is zero percent the player's "fault" when he or his agent negotiates for a deal that is heavily in his favor. I can't help but wonder why I'm not hearing an equal amount of frustration from you about owners who earn money off players that are compensated well below their value. Why is it that "overpaid players" and "ballers" is the thing that gets you fired up?
All that money has to go somewhere. Why is the athlete, the group without whom there could be no sports in the first place, the object of your scorn?
Oh, and every raise you've ever gotten was in part based on past accomplishments.
I might agree if you could name some occupations where an employee would earn a higher salary in conjunction with a weaker performance.
I know that if I suddenly stopped being productive at my job, I might not get a decrease in pay, but I certainly wouldn't be offered a raise.
Every golden parachute ever deployed.
If you were super productive at your job, negotiated a raise, and then your performance fell off, you'd earn the salary you negotiated, no less. Which is... How is that... not the same? THE EXACT SAME?
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Counterpoint: that shit is god damned awesome
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That's amazing.
Come on.
Voice mails left by Incognito to Martin:
“Hey, wassup, you half n—– piece of [expletive] . . . I saw you on Twitter, you been training ten weeks. [i want to] [expletive] in your [expletive] mouth. [i'm going to] slap your [expletive] mouth. [i'm going to] slap your real mother across the face (laughter). [Expletive] you, you’re still a rookie. I’ll kill you.”
My favorite part of Incognito, Sr.'s defense of his son's terrible treatment of Martin? "Martin tried to kill himself three times."
Like, what is his point? "Martin has serious issues with depression and suicide, so my son is just helping him out. Basically."
I'll talk about Suh later. I'm not totally nutso.
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Are all of the athletes in the lesser, non-money-making sports on scholarship?
Full scholarships are the norm in hoops and football, and that's about it. Baseball teams only have a handful to spread around at most schools, for example.
And even in football, scholarships are delayed (gray shirting), promised and revoked, and unguaranteed. There is plenty do discretion and inequality.
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I'm glad that the two biggest assholes in the NFL, on either side of the ball ( Suh and Incognito) are both proud Husker Alums. We may not win like the Larry Phillips years, but at least we can keep the notorious scumbag tradition alive.
I honestly believe Suh is misunderstood. Not kidding. Pretty much everything he's done has an explanation context, or both. Even the "stomp."
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Can somebody who has been following the story a little closer clarify something for me?
Is this incognito story tied to the other thing with some Dolphins (I think) rookie having to pay a $30k team dinner tab?
Yeah. In all likelihood. Rookie hazing is common in the NFL, but word is it's even more out of hand in Miami, and Incognito is thought to be the worst offender
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This Richie Incognito stuff escalated pretty quickly. According to The Miami Herald, via Deadspin, The Dolphins area shutting him down for the season. What are the odds this ends up costing Philbin his job?
And please read this amazing article about Incognito's dad anonymously posting stuff about Martin on message boards.
http://deadspin.com/is-richie-incognitos-dad-blasting-jonathan-martin-on-m-1457997230
This whole story gets more and more bizarre.
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Someone said it before, but I think that the solution is guaranteed 4 scholarships and stipends for spending money. It wouldn't eliminate the booster money, but I think it would decrease it. The guy who came from nothing who gets his parents offered 50K to play ball is probably still taking it.
I think you're missing the point. Most of us are saying we want there to be MORE booster money...
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No. Those were all actual questions. Slaves weren't given the choice between 30k per year anywhere in the US and up to 200k in free education. But by all means, continue to ****ing destroy any strawmen you build.
As to JJJ, I am typically, but I think the education system is a little different. While most universities are private (Is that even true? It has to be, right), having an entity like the NCAA is nice, and promotes teamwork and tradition, which I like. However, I'm totally open to change, and I would be happy with paying athletes.
The point wasn't that student athletes are slaves. The point was, the difficulties posed by a solution to a legitimate problem have no impact on the original problem, itself. Just because a solution is hard or fraught doesn't make the need for a solution any less pressing.
It sounded like you were saying, "It will be really hard to perfectly and fairly compensate student athletes. Therefore, we shouldn't compensate them at all."
Also what the hell, man...
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This is why I hate Madden. So unrealistic.
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I would think that the pay of athletes would have to be the same, or at least the same per position. It would also have to be the same either countrywide or conference wide, or rich schools would win every year and no poor schools would play them without millions of dollars being paid as a bribe.
So how much could schools realistically pay for 90 football players or 15 BB players? How about the soccer and rugby teams? Think there would be backlash if they didn't pay their women teams the same? How many schools would just cancel all sports but football and basketball and then two women's sports for Title IX?
If they paid them 30k, how many schools would be forced to drop football?
Bonus question: if you gave them the options of either being paid 30k with no free school or a small stipend with free tutuion and room/board, what do most athletes choose?
Are you asking these questions in order to show that paying athletes wouldn't work?
Edit, because I don't have time to wait for you to say "yes" before I respond: "Do you know how many problems it will cause if we free all them niggers? Ending slavery would be a logistical nightmare! WHERE WILL WE GET THAT MANY MULES?"
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Pitch framing. Fan Graphs has done some good stuff about the effects of it and who does it well.
Yeah, somehow it turns out maybe catchers are more important than pitchers. Bengie Molina is like Bonds.
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ninja cat
Is that a gun...?
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I think you could sub Vince into the Todd Haley gif, or vice versa, and the results would be excellent.
I'll like 100 of your posts if you do this convincingly
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Yeah, Grantland did an article on them this summer where the guy talked about the spacing issues, and I found it pretty interesting (I'm just getting into basketball and don't totally understand that sort of thing just yet).
I know next to nothing about basketball. I parrot Zach Lowe and hope I sound smart.
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Yeah, my brother and I both know several people who were offered full rides to top SEC schools for football or baseball and who ended up not being able to go or having to drop out for academic reasons. There is no reason those two things should even be related.
Have you ever seen what the SEC does with football scholarships? It's called over signing, and is basically the same as an airline overbooking a flight, except there is no refund and your life is ruined
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I remember Jalen Rose talking about taking money once. Like, people become outraged and act like it's a bunch of greedy assholes ruining the integrity of the game, but even if you have a problem with that, it's not how most of these player seem to see it. Like, he played with a locker room full of people who came from nothing. People's moms were at home in the dark without the money to get the lights turned on, and they aren't even allowed to take $200 from some rich booster to have them turned back on, so that some ******* fan can enjoy the idea that his players are untainted amateurs, w/e the **** that even means. All the while these kids are earning millions and millions for someone else. It's psychotic that this is how it works, let alone that people get mad if someone gets paid.
Yeah, exactly. When you add in how blatantly hypocritical the NCAA is (the best example being Ohio St and the 2011 Sugar Bowl. "You are all suspended. But not this year, we have already sold ad space. Next year, though! Because integrity is important and **** you."), everything just breaks down completely.
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Yeah, I guess it's not a good situation. I would do it out of spite, though.
Also, colleges have academic standards. If I was 18, 6'8, with a 40+ inch vertical, 4.5 40 speed, and could shoot like Kevin Durant, I'd be hopping mad if somebody told me I had to retake the ACT in order to secure work as a professional athlete. It is an absurd situation.
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Her new white boyfriend is going to be pretty pissed when the baby is black then.
I love Drummond, and I think with Smith and Monroe that Piston's team could surprise some people (or at lease be a force in a year or two), but they need a legit PG I think.
They're interesting, that's for sure. The biggest issue should be their lack of outside shooting, which can cause spacing issues. You can really pack the paint when your starting guards are Brandon Jennings and Rodney Stuckey. Smith and Monroe are adept interior passers, so that alleviates some of the spacing concerns, but they need a sniper on the wing more than any team in the NBA
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I know Brandon Jennings did it, but how many other American kids passed up college to play Euroball before the draft?
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Is Europe that bad of an option for basketball players? (My only reason for thinking it might not be is that people seem to get drafted fairly high from over there fairly often.)
If you're seventeen and spent your entire life in Oakland, moving to Greece, alone, would probably be pretty terrible. Especially if you're a black kid. Europe is suuuuper racist. Even developmentally, it's not optimal. You're playing for a coach and a team that very likely doesn't speak the language, playing a different style of basketball, with different rules (trapezoidal lane), against grown men, and everyone knows you'll be gone in a year. And it's much harder for coaches to scout you, because you're thousands of miles away getting 5 minutes a night in Turkey.
The idea that a player could "just go play overseas for a year" is kinda ridiculous when it is presented as a standard option...
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oh my god i just looked it up and MO CHEEKS is the pistons coach. what a terrible thing for them.
Yeah. Super dumb. Why not just hire literally anyone else? Cheeks is guaranteed to be mediocre. It's proven.
I'll be excited about the Pistons as soon as iCarly is carrying around a little nigi[ger. That's when I'll know he is potent enough to get the job done, on and off the court.
I think they split up.
Drummond is awesome, though.
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If college were totally optional, I'd probably be okay with players being compensated via guaranteed 4yr scholarships, and a small stipend to cover food/beer. As it is, college is effectively mandatory for playing professional football. Basketball players have options (Europe. D-League?), but they aren't great. Suggesting the compensation for Johnny Manziel is fair is ludicrous. It's artificially capped, and he has zero other feasible options.
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Random Basketball Observations
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Are we sure that's a pass? Curry doesn't need half that much space to pull from there...