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Nice trip report. Having the pros expose their hole cards and explain their thought process after every hand sounds like a wonderful experience.
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The Gap concept is especially applicant when every raise is an all-in. If you think the guy will only call with his top 30% holdings and your stack is 6 big blinds, you should push with 67s to attempt to pick up the blinds. You certainly should not call with that hand. Therin lies the Gap.
I dont think the Gap Concept applies here unless the stacks are deep compared to the blinds. When you can expect a position raise from the SB with a wide range of hands, including any A your gap is basically nonexistant.Your question is way too generic. What was your stack and what were the blinds? If you're at a point where the blinds will increase your stack by >25%, then you can safely push almost any 2 from the small blind. At the $55s you can expect all the players to be familiar with the Gap concept, and you should aggressively attack their blinds with all-ins, because their calling ranges will be fairly tight. -
Your question is way too generic. What was your stack and what were the blinds? If you're at a point where the blinds will increase your stack by >25%, then you can safely push almost any 2 from the small blind. At the $55s you can expect all the players to be familiar with the Gap concept, and you should aggressively attack their blinds with all-ins, because their calling ranges will be fairly tight.
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I'm not saying that a raise to 1600-2000 is a bad play, I'm saying that the OP's decision was OK -- certainly better than limping or folding.I also think that the 4 players left to act behind you should not pull against a push, because you'd have to call an all-in anyway, since you'd be getting such a good price on your call.
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There are only 4 players who haven't acted yet. The limp by the bigstack leads me to believe that he doesn't have a monster. He's the least likely player at the table to slowplay a hand like that, and unless I had seen him limp with a big hand before, I would assume that he doesn't have one now. According to your calculations and my logic, there is a 12% chance that somebody has us dominated. I'm more than okay with that when I make this play. I'm not in love with AJ, and would almost certainly fold if the big stack had raised from early position. As things stand, I'm pretty sure I have the big stack beat, and the 4 players left to act are unlikely to have monsters, and the pot can increase my stack by 14-18% (depending on whether or not there is an ante).Most importantly, if I raise to 2000, I'm stuck calling a reraise all-in getting 2:1 on my call. When in a position where I would have to call an all-in, I always take the initiative and move in myself.
I'm just stating the hands that have you dominated. An yes there is a good chance that someone has a hand that they will call you with that has AJ0 dominated. Discounting the A and J spoken for there are 38 possible combinations for these holdings out of a possible 1326 hands, which is about a 3% chance, times 5 players, well that's 15%. That's just the hands that dominate AJo. Any pair is a favorite over AJo. If the big blind will call with KQo surely he willl call with 1010/99/88. Since when do we fall in love with AJo anyway??? With less players or a lower M sure, but not here.I already suggested a good sized raise. I'd re-evaluate after the flop.
It's not particularly likely that one of the 4 players behind you wakes up with AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AK/AQ. Pretty much everything else is folding this close to the bubble. You have enough chips to kill or cripple all of those players. If the tournament has antes, then there would be about $1200 in the pot, which could increase the OP's stack by almost 20%. That's significant. What would you suggest? Open-folding? Raising to 2000 and folding a pot the size of your stack on any flop you miss?
I completely disagree. Are you forgetting about the 4 players left to act before you even get to see what the big stack does? You are just looking at the results. If one of the five players left to act turns over AK, AQ, AA-JJ instead of KQo is it still a good move to risk your tournament life to win a $1000 pot? Bad advice on your part IMO. No way I push with AJo in this situation.Your raise was FINE. You almost definitely have the best hand, and the pot is significant to your stack. You did the right thing by trying to take the pot down now. Don't let the results of this hand make you question a good play. -
Your logic is STILL way off, and it looks like you didn't even read my last post. YOU ARE FAR AWAY FROM THE FINAL TABLE AND NEED TO ACCUMULATE CHIPS. GETTING CALLED BY A WORSE HAND IS A GOOD WAY TO DO THAT. Your argument that "the big stack will call with a lot of hands that you beat" is a very bad reason not to make a move here.And I do have respect for the big stack -- when I'm trying to steal blinds. I rarely steal from the big stack, because he's the most likely to give me action in blind-stealing situations. I also resteal against big stacks less when he raises my blind from the button or CO, etc. This is a different situation. This is a spot where you have to believe you have the best hand, and can increase your stack nicely by raising. The question is how much to raise, and I think it's either to 2000 (in which case you'd have to call an all-in getting 2:1 when it comes back around) or just pushing now and putting maximum pressure on the other guy to make a decision.
let's see:op made a huge pf raise, he wants to take it down right there. villain knows that op is weak.so... if villain has two big cards (as in this case) he might put op on a medium pp and wants to race, he can afford itif villain has a pp, he might put op on two high cards and wants to race, he can afford itgranted, getting called by a worse ace isnt going to happen very often, but then again, he can afford itas a matter of fact, villain could call w/ an even greater range of hands, such as a suited connector if he feels that op doesnt have a pp. simply put... he can afford itbasically, even if he lost, he's still chipleader at the table. but if he wins, he'll be in even better shape to dominateyou have absolutely no respect for the bigstack and that's scary. my logic isnt way off, your's is. and when is having your tournament life rest on ajo pf a good thing? that is an easily dominated had that doesnt dominate much else. and hell no, i dont want any hands calling in that situation. if i put in a raise, i want to take down that pot right then and there.his m is 10.5, the push was unwarranted in an unraised pot
I hate to pick on you, but your logic is just way off. When you're big stack do you regularly limp/call off a third of your chips with any ace, any two big cards, any pocket pair?When you're sitting on a 15 big blind stack with 300 people left in the tournament, do you not want that range to call your all-in with AJ?the range of hands he could call you with is huge: any ace, any two big cards, any pp. -
It's not particularly likely that one of the 4 players behind you wakes up with AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AK/AQ. Pretty much everything else is folding this close to the bubble. You have enough chips to kill or cripple all of those players. If the tournament has antes, then there would be about $1200 in the pot, which could increase the OP's stack by almost 20%. That's significant. What would you suggest? Open-folding? Raising to 2000 and folding a pot the size of your stack on any flop you miss?
I completely disagree. Are you forgetting about the 4 players left to act before you even get to see what the big stack does? You are just looking at the results. If one of the five players left to act turns over AK, AQ, AA-JJ instead of KQo is it still a good move to risk your tournament life to win a $1000 pot? Bad advice on your part IMO. No way I push with AJo in this situation.Your raise was FINE. You almost definitely have the best hand, and the pot is significant to your stack. You did the right thing by trying to take the pot down now. Don't let the results of this hand make you question a good play. -
I hate to pick on you, but your logic is just way off. When you're big stack do you regularly limp/call off a third of your chips with any ace, any two big cards, any pocket pair?When you're sitting on a 15 big blind stack with 300 people left in the tournament, do you not want that range to call your all-in with AJ?the range of hands he could call you with is huge: any ace, any two big cards, any pp. -
With >30 tables left in the tournament, you still need to accumulate a lot of chips to have a chance at taking this tournament down. Not pushing a +cEV edge when the field is still this large is stupid. Doing it because of a some mantra that applies to other situations is more so. You WANT the big stack to call if he has a worse hand.
fine maybe against a smaller stacknot against the big stackyou must learn to respect them... or else you'll bust early from almost every tourneyYour raise was FINE. You almost definitely have the best hand, and the pot is significant to your stack. You did the right thing by trying to take the pot down now. Don't let the results of this hand make you question a good play. -
The limp was bad, but everyone in this thread has already said it, and I'm sure you know it too. The right play was to push preflop. Your hand was above average and the blinds were going to take away 1/3 of your stack. You had to move soon and A7 was at good as you could have hoped.But let's backtrack a little. Why did you only have 4 big blinds? Had you lost a big pot recently? Was the format of this tournament so bad that a 4BB stack was average? When you get below TEN big blinds, you really need to be looking for spots to steal blinds with all-ins.
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I call, quickly. Overbet all-ins in low-limit online tournaments mean draws almost every time.EDIT: I should add that I multi-table MTTs, but can only effectively play 4-6 at a time. So I'm willing to take some risks against hands like the naked Qc here, because I would rather have a decent stack at all my tables and increase my total time equity than stay out of trouble in an attempt to increase each individual tournament's equity.
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Your raise was FINE. You almost definitely have the best hand, and the pot is significant to your stack. You did the right thing by trying to take the pot down now. Don't let the results of this hand make you question a good play.
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Your preflop raise was pretty bad any way you cut it, in my opinion. The rest of the hand is kind of tough to play, but your preflop leak is easy to fix. It's the first thing you should take away from the hand. If you raise to 2000 preflop, then you have an easy shove on the flop, and the hand won't make your brain hurt.As for your actual postflop play, I would consider a raise on the flop. You have outs unless he has exactly K3/33, and most players would check a king or a boat on this flop. I think you might have fold equity, and I would raise here a decent percentage of the time. Given that you just called on the flop, I like just calling the turn as well.On the river I would check behind. The pot is too big compared to your stack. You beat a lower flush draw now and not much else is folding.I was actually hoping for a post flop analysis... but duly noted. -
I never really got "bored" per se. Poker is always at least a little fun, even when mechanically 8-tabling a mostly mathematical format. I just had a lot LESS fun than I did playing multi-table tournaments and ring games. I held an 18% ROI over about 1200 22s.
I've taken to doing much the same with party and I haven't gotten bored with it yet. I guess I gotta give it some time, huh?What ROI were you showing at the $22 tournaments?I 8-tabled the PartyPoker $22 and $33 tournaments for a while. It was fun at first, because it was the first time in my life I made good money playing poker, but it turns into a grind pretty quickly. By the way, a >20% ROI in single table tournaments is pretty good, regardless of the buy-in. -
The 109 hand was tough. I tend to play spots like this very aggressively, and I might check/raise all-in here. I'm SO not saying that's necessarily the right play, though. It's a tough hand, and I think your line was fine. I would have gambled with the AQ, because a push from a 10BB stack can come from a lot of hands much weaker than that. But if you felt you had control of the table and would have much better opportunities to pick up chips, then folding very well could have been the right play. I hate your preflop raise with KQ. He's not going anywhere for 1400 more, with the pot odds you've given him. Bumping it to 2000 leaves you with an awkward pot where the villain's stack is about the size of the pot. It not only leaves you vulnerable to a stop-n-go, but makes you easily trapped on the flop. You may have position, but I'm not even sure you want it, because with the awkward pot size you created, the villain has a lot of tools he can use to outplay you. Unless you hit top pair, you're going to be guessing with your flop action. I think you should have either raised to 3000, folded or limped. I think the shove with K7s was probably the right play, but you left out some important info. What position were you exactly and how full was your table? If you were earlier than the cut-off and at a full table, I think you could have waited for a better hand. If your table was short or you were on the cutoff or button, then the play was probably right.
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I 8-tabled the PartyPoker $22 and $33 tournaments for a while. It was fun at first, because it was the first time in my life I made good money playing poker, but it turns into a grind pretty quickly. By the way, a >20% ROI in single table tournaments is pretty good, regardless of the buy-in.
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There is no way I'm folding this flop, and no way I'm playing it passively (unless I was positive my opponent had a set -- but nobody can get that type of read by the THIRD HAND of a tournament).You're a favorite against almost everything, take the lead and raise. I'd bet the full pot and call an all-in.
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I think you misplayed pretty much every street. That's okay, we all start somewhere. I'll explain why I think your line was bad, and I hope you learn something from the experience.The first thing I would say is don't limp QJ late in a tournament. You should pretty much never open-limp with 25 big blinds, being under the gun with a marginal hand is no exception. This is a pretty easy fold. The fact that you did not feel comfortable raising the flop tells you exactly why you shouldn't limp with marginal hands. You don't know if you're dominated. It is CRUCIAL to avoid trap hands with 20-ish big blind stacks in tournaments. Since we can't take back your limp, you need to fold when the big blind raises. Your limp either means a marginal hand like KJ/QJ/88, or a big pair. He raised to find out what you had, and a call tells him you have a marginal hand. He's going to feel comfortable firing on the flop and you will give away the pot on the 70% of flops you miss (and some where you hit), because your passive line has given you no information about your opponent's hand, but he knows a lot about yours. Now we go to the flop. You really need to raise. He's firing any flop. If you're going to insist on playing QJ , you have to be willing to take the lead on a flop like this. The pot is already more than 6000, and you have 12000 left behind. I would shove this flop.
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My advice would pretty much be avoid doing that. Putting a lot of chips at risk with a marginal hand is a mistake, whether you're bigstack or not. You really don't have much power with a stack when you're this far away from the money. You should generally just play the same game that got you those chips. Focus on making good, +EV plays. You shouldn't feel compelled to constantly steal and resteal until you get close enough to the money that weaker players will slow down to ensure a cash.lost half my stack with 88. ouch -
I loved Greenstein's book. He doesn't talk about starting hands or pot equity or anything like that, but his book is supposed to be for advanced players. I think every successful player's main problem is with consistency and personal management. Know yourself, when you're not playing your best and when to walk away. These are things that Barry stresses that you just won't find in any other book.Oh, and some of the tournament hands Barry goes through in his book are REALLY f-ing hard. Great stuff to think about.
if you're looking for a typical poker strategy book, save your money. its a lot of fluff - eg personality traits of a good player - and a very small section on strategy. interesting read tho. best player in the world, if you were building the prototypical poker player from scratch it would be barry.How is Greenstein's book?...It is next on my list.Sounds like it would be solid because its written by a cash game specialist, something im more interested in than tournament play.... -
Shorthanded won't improve your $/hand unless you're a better shorthanded player than you are a full ring player. It does increase your $/hour because you tend to see more hands when there are fewer people to make decisions on each hand.
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Uuuhhh, every game's easy when you win every hand.
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I learned something from that event, too. Don't **** with Ted Forrest!!That dude was scary good. Does he have X-Ray vision or something?
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Probably true for the masses. We poker enthusiasts get tired of seeing all-in fests. Your average ADD ridden high schooler who's just gotten into poker this month would probably tire of seeing one person raise and everyone fold. Every hand poker might be only for people who are too into the game.I would not watch poker on PPP. I don't think too many people would pay extra to watch it.
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We can't possibly know whether the play was good or not without knowing the prize structure of the tournament. If it was winner take all it was obviously a good play. If it was a satellite where the top 7 players get the same prize it was obviously a bad play.