Avaron
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no, not at all. but i like a certain level of control in few key spots, so that it is possible to avoid huge swings in employment, and therefore save people's livelihood. it's not all the time about the value of what is produced. i think the life of the people is more important. i just think it's not fair that a worker in detroit looses his job after 30 years of hard work and may get in real financial trouble just because his bosses were too dumb to move the company into 21st century.So in other words, all spending must be controlled by the government so that the workers are kept employed regardless of the value of what they produce?
maybe because they are highly educated experts who do know a little more about economy than the average joe (i would at least expect that, if they're working for the congress and the white house...)? i'm not talking about politicians here. and they don't have to be just theorists from university, but maybe former managers, who actually worked in the market?Well, Sal's response probably is the best summary, but I'll give a more detailed response, because this kind of nonsense is running rampant and destroying our country.First, your notion of "wrong things" is laughable. WTF? Do bureaucrats somehow magically know the exact combination of products that will create the maximum economic growth? How do they know this? This is a serious question.
i don't think that most of the american public lives and breathes the details of big business economy on a daily basis...ainec.and i don't think that politicians have failed in life at all. they may fail in this job, just like other people fail too, but that's not too different to a business manager. both of them manage sometimes the lifes of thousands.hey, being a us senator used to be prestigious in the past, or am i wrong?Literally, please explain the process by which someone who has failed so badly at life that they need to go into politics is able to determine economic trends in a million different industries better than the people who live and breathe the details of those industries on a daily basis.
but we're not in a transition phase here. we're collapsing. people are loosing their jobs, their livelihoods, they may drop into poverty, hell, they may even die! right now! of course, the market will recover and the industry will come back in the long run. but that will take decades. it's all about the people who suffer from this crisis right now.Second, gigantic industries do not just disappear. What happens is their value is reduced until someone picks up the assets and labor and reallocates them to more productive uses. Propping up inefficient industries doesn't help the economy, it harms it. The thing that helps the economy is moving assets and resources from low-value uses to high-value uses as quickly as possible. Bailing out poorly run companies has the opposite effect.So what happens to the unemployed people? They get jobs with the new, improved industry. Should the govt have saved the jobs of carriage makers when cars were invented? Should the govt have saved the jobs of typewriter manufacturers when computers came along? Obviously not, since there are way more people employed in the follow-on industry. And the reason for that is when money moves from low-value uses to high-value uses, *MORE* jobs are created. Yes, there is a transition, and it is painful for the people involved, but not as painful as if the jobs are permanently gone and the economy lags for decades. Furthermore, the transition is going to happen, one way or another.
we're already losing millions of jobs worldwide, thousands a week in the usa.Do you want to do it slowly over time, or prop up the industries until it really is a million jobs all at once? Let's see, a few thousand at a time, or a million at once?
sorry, but you are one dimensional thinking here.One dimensional thinking will always give you the wrong answer in economics; you have to look at the big picture and the small picture. Your analysis is so shallow I didn't even get my shoes wet. -
the answer is so simple that i hesitated to give it to you. you won't like it.the people simply spend it on the wrong things (if they spend it, and not just save it).just look at your automobile inustry: the people are not going to buy lots of cars these days, but that's what has to happen if you not want the industry to crush. now the free market rules that if the industry has to go down, so be it, that's the free market. but what's with the jobs of hundreds of thousands of people which are directly or indirectly connected with the car industry? just let hundreds of thousands of people loose their job and livelihood because that's what is part of the free market? okay. but hundreds of thousands unemployed people means a lot less money in the economy - a lot more than the bit what stays in your "bureaucracy", and the vicious circle goes on and on and on...that is why the governement has to look for the economy in times of crisis: not because the economy couldn't look for itself, but because the economy doesn't look for the lives of the people along the way...How does this stimulate the economy? What is the magic that makes running money through congress more valuable than letting people spend it on their own? -
well, it's definetly not the wife's mistake...Then if he's ****ing his secretary it's none of his wifes business. -
i agree with bob. 85 only copy-pastes textx from conservative blogs as if that proves anything. at least when you post texts to prove something, use a neutral source with statistical and scientifical proven facts...Yes, I'll admit that I don't like the way that 85 suited often posts. I have no problem with his political positions but I do have a problem with the form that his posts take. If he wants to copy and paste things from other places he needs to provide links and attribution. It does really help when people can see where something you have copied comes from.It's funny that I'm perceived as a "Liberal" while I've been a member of and only voted for the Conservative Party here in Canada. ( of course now it will be pointed out that an American Conservative would consider a Canadian Conservative to the left of Nader. )Edit: Thinking about it I'm pretty sure that I would be an Independant in the US and I would have voted for Reagen, Bush I, Clinton, really not sure if I would have voted for Bush II the first time hoping he would be like his Father but for sure would have voted against him the second time and I would have voted for Obama this time. -
see, i foresaw your answer almost 100% correctly...
That's right. But obviously it's not the case anymore. The usa are one of the most indebted countries in the world. obviously the usa are not alone responsible for this world crisis, but the collapse of your bank system (letting lehman brothers go broke!) in the first place made the crisis that big.and i truly understand the point with the way of life and approach. it's not over. but the world has changed, the conditions are not the same anymore. you need to adapt, and as always, not everybody is going to like it...Yes, that is a very European response…which goes along to way to explain the concerns of capitalists. I mean we are only talking about a way life and approach to business that has made this country the most successful in history.
you're underestimating the situation. of all western countries the economic crisis hit the usa the most (exept for iceland, but thats a complete other thing). you are already in debt, you're not an export nation, so you're economy is not able to dig itself out of the hole alone. in fact, the usa are highly dependent from the coutries that import their products. china is the most important example, if the crisis would have hit china harder, your land would be in really bad shape...and before you make fund of the european countries: we obvioulsy have big problems with the crisis also, but we already stopped the most bleeding. to use the poker analogy again: we lost a monster four-way pot (uk, fr, ger, esp...) but we're deep enough to come back. the usa are the shortstack at the table...We have this financial problem which all things considered is not really that bad (what country would like to trade places with us for the long term) and we are going to tear it all apart to become Germany, Spain, FRANCE, WTF if France didn’t have Grey Goose, pastry and fries we would have let Germany have the country….
that is simply wrong. not governement caused the crisis, but the let-loose crazy financial market (not only in the usa), the more or less only on debt based real estate market and wrong market strategy (automobile industry) and so on...and the governement only is able to create conditions to make it possible for the economy to climb back.government (all of them) is the worst institution and has done the most to create it...and now it is going to fix it!!! The funny part is our government is one of if not the best...as bad as it
i don't agree. the institution is not bad, only the people who run it can be not the best. but it could be worse. i like it to have the possibility to drop one sucker and elect the next one.government (all of them) is the worst institution
there is a saying: no economy without debt.to create these conditions you of course need money. again in poker terms: you're rebuying for the whole amount you lost and try to double up or get even over the time.Now BHO is going to “change” it…he is creating debt that our grandchildren and generations beyond that will be left with. Dumb ****ing democrats never can see the forest through the trees. We are still paying for the New Deal!! I used to get mad at GB for spending like a DEMOCRAT…LOL I was so wrong. He was attempting to make them happy and still over spending. Now that they are in office Barak, Nancy and the rest of the gang are going to show us how it is done.
well, i'm not going to predict the future. time will tell...Sigh, what are you gonna do, hold costs (freeze wages), cut back on benefits (for the rank and file) move companies to more tax friendly locations (great way to stimulate the economy there), raise rents on your apartments (people that don’t have jobs don’t buy new houses) and hope that in 2 or 4 or 6 or 8 years the American public realizes what a crock of shit they have been given and voted for. -
the problem is: the governement is the only institution that has the possibility to face the actual problems.
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there is a difference between having another opinion on how it should be done and not trusting governement at all.discussion is relatively worthless, if the latter is the case...
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rome wasn't built in one day...
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looking at you national debt, your grandchildren will have to pay anyway.sure, obama's economic policy takes (gambles on?^^) the risky but (if successful) fast way to recover.the safe but slow way that most conservative people prefer, where everything equals out in the long run, would be possible, too. but it may take too long, since the danger of bankrupcy is very imminent these days...in other words: obama goes all in with a pair and an open-ended straight flush draw and hopes to hit. he is the favourite though^^.The bad news is that our Grandchildren will be still be paying for this crap. -
your really believe that? everyone does. selling hightech devises everywhere around the world. of course, they can be used for bad things, like almost everything.ok, we stop trading on the "free world market" as soon as you stop to support guys like bin laden and saddam who will turn into problems in the future. deal?I got to say you Germans do make fine automobiles.But I drive Fords.Because BMWs are for teh gheysPlus you will continue to make and sell equipment to produce chemical and biological warfare. Even though we don't do that sort of thing, it's nice to know that we can get a supplier if we need one.Do the world a favor though and stop selling them to terrorist states hmmm?
definition please. as far as i know, there are no officiall "terrorist states" existing.terrorist states
hmmm, i always thought that of Mercedes Benz...Because BMWs are for teh gheys
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this^^OK, I'll grant you that women probably came from some guy's ribs. But everyone knows the meaning of life was discovered by Monty Python. -
ok... we germans build the best cars in the world. if we stop selling them, you want to invade germany?Nope, only countries that sell something that is vital to the stability of commerce and trade
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oh well, there are lots of countries without christian based governement that are doing quite well...and i hate the argument that "atheist" (= communist, in your argumentation) countries failed. they were atheist ideologies, that's a difference. religion was forbidden by governement, but that doesn't mean that there was no religion at all. the DDR had a great religious movement in the underground. and i doubt that stalin & co were able to eliminate religion everywhere in their country.they failed because the communist system itself failed in keeping an economy going. they simply went broke.Mainly because all countries that have moved away from a Christian base to an athiest base have all failed miserably, and will continue to fail because they are fooling themselves to think that a Christian basis for government is not the best form of government there is. -
sources? all i know is that we had normal trade contacts, but stopped them after the un resolution.Oh and the Germans and the Fench were selling weapons and scientific equipment to the Iraqis in violation of UN charters, but I'm sure their decision had nothing to do with that. -
kinda funny. you guys can argue that the governement should not be involved in anyhing (not even governing?^^), because it's against "personal freedom". and then you argue, that your country is or should be a religious state, therefore in control of the most personal thing. can please someone describe to me the difference between these two types of "personal freedom"?
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my fault. turn is the 5d
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Sorry guys, can't convert it. doeasn't work with 8-game, it seems. anyway: here is the hand:PokerStars Game #23769866934: 8-Game (Omaha Pot Limit, $0.05/$0.10) - 2009/01/10 22:34:48 CET [2009/01/10 16:34:48 ET]Table 'Gemma X' 6-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: paperrose ($11.38 in chips) Seat 2: lonewolfslt ($10.06 in chips) Seat 3: kjeld.j ($2.90 in chips) Seat 4: slow0000 ($8.03 in chips) Seat 5: robert124 ($14.12 in chips) Seat 6: Avaron ($9.04 in chips) slow0000: posts small blind $0.05robert124: posts big blind $0.10*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Avaron [Qh 6h Js Jc]Avaron: calls $0.10paperrose: folds lonewolfslt: raises $0.10 to $0.20kjeld.j: calls $0.20slow0000: folds robert124: calls $0.10Avaron: calls $0.10*** FLOP *** [9h Jh 4d]robert124: checks Avaron: bets $0.40lonewolfslt: raises $0.40 to $0.80kjeld.j: calls $0.80robert124: calls $0.80Avaron: raises $1.20 to $2lonewolfslt: calls $1.20kjeld.j: raises $0.70 to $2.70 and is all-inrobert124: folds Avaron: calls $0.70lonewolfslt: calls $0.70TURN: [9h Jh 4d][5d]ME: ?????check to induce bet?bet to define villain's hand?pot it?what kind of hand could he have?random thoughts?
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to be accurate, most of the mess we see today in those areas are the results of the (failed) colonial policies and the fact that france and gb left the place suddelny without cleaning the mess they created. and after that the international community came and drew borders without recognizing tribal areas etc. ab bit just like in africa but with other circumstances, of course.splitting hairs here. You are going to argue that the middle east hasn't been the most unstable place in world for most if not all of recorded history? If you choose to do so carry on, please, i would love the history lesson. -
I don't think this is what the Bible meant when it tells us to be more like Jesus^^
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you're like 300 years too lateA typical 'rebuttal' by people who never really come close to any refutation of the arguments for nationalism. Nationalism does not revolve around the nazis or indeed any one society which implemented some form of it. Furthermore, imperialism and genocidal tactics do not form any core part of nationalist philosophy any more than they do for Communism or Capitalism. Following that practice of selecting the worst examples of a philosophy would allow me to assert that socialism is represented by the regimes of Mao's China + the Union of Soviet 'Socialist' Republics( which were responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of people). I then also could assert that capitalism is best summed up by Albania's pyramid scheme bonanza of the 90's. And so on...So, if we are to enter serious debate, let us discontinue the childish refutations and 'you're a Nazi!!' name-calling.The problem is defining nationalism since it is really a simplistic core concept that can be 'packaged' in many ways - national socialism, national capitalism, economic nationalism, racial nationalism, civic nationalism, liberal nationalism etc. A modern nationalist would do well to consider 'economic nationalism' as a basis for the coming age.Quite apart from any economic policy, we can also consider social effects of nationalism. Of course as hblask says, nationalism is not some complete ideology, but it is an essential foundation. To say it is incoherent however, is just intellectually dishonest. What could be more clear than championing the nation-state? If we look at Nationalism as giving precedence to the nation-state, then we can see its place in an ascending list of units. individual --> family --> tribe --> nation --> global mankindOur Western nations have obsessed with individualism and globalism, while ignoring the growing tribalism within the borders of the nations. The nation has almost been treated as an inconvenient irritation. A nationalist puts the family at the start of society(but can recognise individual rights etc), and will champion the nation state(but need not seek dominion over other nation states). Globalism is far more incoherent and incomplete than nationalism. There is much more detail that could be debated, defined and discussed regarding nationalism... -
am I wrong, or wasn't the new deal a programm after the great depression and built to recover from it? and wasn't it the new deal that laid the cornerstone for american prosperity after WWII?Its very fitting, since his policies sound right up FDRs alley. Hello Second Great Depression. -
the world needs no "world leader" anymore. when will you leave this cold-war-argumentation behind? the world needs cooperation nowadays.btw: have you read the report of your agencies about the political development in the world until 2025?All the world leaders are assuming the BHO will be a pussy. He has yet to give any others impression. We will see if he has the moxie to be a world leader...i lay 3/2 it doesn't happen! -
sarkozy is just testing the waters how obama will react, just like medwedew did. this will come from a couple more leaders soon, expecially from Japan, China, India, Iran, Syria, Israel... even the UK i think, because Brwon needs to do something to distinguish himself facing elections soon...
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