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Regarding your question about bankroll. A 300-500 BB bankroll is needed in limit play. For No Limit, it is recommended that you have 1500x the big blind or 30 buy-ins. For example, in a $1/2 no limit game, you would typically buy in for $100. 30 buy-ins= $3000. Using the 1500x rule. $2 big blind x 1500 = $3000. Notice the difference between limit and no limit, in limit the bankroll refers to the Big bet on the last two rounds of betting. In no limit, your bankroll is based off the big blind.Hope this helps.
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I'd say hang in there. Based on the stats you've listed, I can assume you're playing at absolute, where I play frequently. We're likely playing against the same players, and let's be honest, it was myself who called with that JT. Sorry. Seriously though, as has been said, it is essential that a player learn to play amid bad players. They are the core of your profits. We often don't see the cards the poor player was calling us down with unless they draw out. Thus, we sometimes forget how many times we have them drawing very thin, and they are making loosing plays. i've actually learned to enjoy seeing a player call 3 bets cold, because I know that the far majority of the time, that player is making a mistake. If they are making a mistake, then I'm making money. Of course, at times it feels like every bad play is paying off the bad player. Two situations that have been the most profitable for me in low-limit are top pair w/good kicker, and drawing to at least 8 outs to flushes and straights with several players in. These are profitable, despite missing most of those draws, and having your opponents hitting their 3 outer on you. These give you the most bang for your buck. I will also reiterrate what has been said regarding the showdown win%. Some of my best sessions have showdown win% below 50. Some of my worst are in excess of 65. I prefer to be in the the 55 range. You have to be willing to showdown a loosing hand, lots of em. Just make sure you're winning larger pots, and loosing small pots. If you are going to loose a big pot, make sure you made them pay a bunch for their draw, or have several opponents in the pot that shared the cost. With regard to higher limits, I'd say the enormous difference is aggresion. I'd say that you will probably see more hands that make you scratch your head in 30-60 limit game at Bellagio, then any game on earth. Capped all the way to see the guy who missed his flush draw and paired his Ace on the river win a $1500 pot . In lower-limit poker, it is much easier to take control of a hand. Oh... you'll still see terrible plays in higher limits, just be prepared to pay a lot more to see it done.Good luck and see ya on the tables.
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"the saint"
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Once again, I should have just left this question to Smash. He makes a good point about the rarity of the pot in this hand. I love it, call for sanity! Only Smash.
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100 bb swings are very normal in limit poker. I recently have had a little swing myself due in large part to heads-up play. I think I'm legimately at fault for about 40 of my 70BB swing, but can atribute 30bb to the bad card and drawout factor. Like I said, I was playing heads up and ran into a awful run of cards like I've rarely seen... I lost 33 BB in less than 10 minutes to give you an idea. That hurts just to write. Then I went on tilt and dumped another 30 trying to make up. Not smart. A lucky player walked away with 60 BB in less than 30 min. Unbelievable. How is that possible I've wondered since?However, anyone who plays regularly realizes that it is part of the game. You just have to keep playing your game, relying on making right decisions. If you're playing with the right bankroll, you should recover just fine.
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no offense to Vade, as I think their advise is solid, but I would call given the implied odds. You're a 22.5/1 underdog to hit a 5, which is about what the pot is offering. However, the implied odds are much greater, given a player does indeed have trips. Your 5 isn't likely to give them a full house. I would only call on the flop, however, and fold if you miss on the turn.
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I agree with the sentiments about Smasharoo. I've always gone to post something, but realized he had already said it and there was nothing more to say. He is direct, but that is why I feel he is neccessary to this forum. His advice is solid, and no nonsense. There is probably no other poster on here that the average player who wants to improve his game can learn from. His recent postings on his low-limit play were very insightful and great learning tool. Not to mention he has a sense of humor. I hope we haven't heard the last of Smasharoo.
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A sample of my online records looks like this:Jan 17, 2005AP (Absolute---online site) $396.61(balance in account)25c/50c limit (6) - $3.17 (listed in red pen for loss)(6 players on table)25c/50c limit (6) - $4.45 (in red again)25c/50c limit (6) +$15.97 (in black for gain)11:45pm - 1:45 Pm6hrs + $8.35 (this signifies that I spent 6 hrs of table time and made a profit of +$8.35 on the session. I get 6 hours by playing 3 tables simultaneously for a 2 hour session.)112hrs ( ytd table hrs total ) $404.96 (new balance) +$182.85 (ytd total) 3.26bb/hr (avg. BB/hr)Every 800 hands or 2 sessions I record my basic stats such as #games, %won, % showdowns won, %flops seen, win % if flops seen, how often I fold, check, call, bet, raise, and re-raise. I also want to know where I folded, whether pre-flop, on the flop, turn, river, or no fold. My live games records are much more simple. I want to include +/- $, time played, approxiamate # hands played, and adjust my totals like I've demonstrated above.The above record helps me quickly identify my sessions and how they went. I also include notes on the side columns. I might note a certain player, a particular hand or two, and I also like to grade my game honestly for the session on a letter grade scale. This is hard to do at times, especially when I've had a great session, yet honestly feel the cards did a lot of the work. I have to be honest and critical. I'm about a B average player by my records...lol.Anyway, hope this helps.
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I have no idea how many big bets an hour Daniel actually makes, but I do know that in games such as 4000-8000, the hourly rate drops significantly. Against the players they play against, just coming out ahead is considerable. A great player may make between 1/4 and a single BB/hr . He gave us a clue in his journal on December 23, 2004.Playing in a 4000-8000 game, he summarizes his results:just a couple of thoughts...if Daniel is playing stakes like 4000-8000, and say an average session in 8hours (which seems short), and the goals is to make 2-4 big bets an hour, and he plays on average 2 days a week. so 104 sessions @ 8 hours @ 16,000 per hour session average profit = 13,000,000 million. I think cash games are definetly neccessary.I recently watch the 4th annual WPPC, in which Daniel states he plays tournies to win, for the prestige and of course the money... but he doesn't show up to place.... he show up to win.
I don't know what Daniel's idea of breaking even is, but for me, breaking even is making right about my BB/hr avg. So, in his case, that would equate to around a $5000 avg/hr.[/i]So over the last two night of playing $4000-8000 I’ve won a grand total of $56,000 over about 11 hours. While that’s a considerable amount of money it’s basically breaking even at those limits. -
Meant to continue on last post, sorry. From Greensteins evaluation, it would appear that David Grey and Dan Harrington take the prize of being the tightest pro. Check under the loosest rating. I also thought Barry's comments about tight and abc style of play interesting under Grey's profile.
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It has been posted befored, but I'd Greensteins view would be worth considering.http://www.barrygreenstein.com/analysis.htm
freerolls
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I'd recommend absolute poker. They offer a few freerolls that can actually translate into cash that you can use in their cash games. After you've won some money in the freeroll, you can make a deposit for $25 via money order (something you could possibly do). A friend and I challenged ourselves in November of 2004 to see who could do the most with nothing. I won $17 in a freeroll, which I took to the micro limit games. He won $5 and took it to the micro limit games. I chose to strictly follow a bankroll guideline of 400 BB. He chose to be a gambler and started off playing 10c/20c. As of today, I'm still playing, having worked my way up to the 50c/$1 level and have $452.26. I've always kept within my rules and have learned a ton in the process. I went through a very rough run of cards a short time ago, allowed it to mess with my head, and began playing like a fish. It was a real rough time, a time where I began to wonder what kind of player I was. I took some time off and got my head back on straight, and have done much better. My friend was a gambler. He did well early on and was far out in front of me from the get go. Gradually, I came back into the race and passed him about the $200 mark, where he remained stuck, at which point he took the money to a $5/$10 table and proceeded to make $2000 in a week. All this without having invested more than $25 from our pockets. My friend cashed out, confident in his title, but I grind on confident in the future. I don't mean to bore you with a long story, just thought I would share an experience with freerolls. I think there is a tremendous value in making yourself go through such an experience. Working from the ground up, gives you quite the experience. I've played in cash games up to $30/60 and everywhere in between, but I don't think I've learned as much there, as I have going through this. Forcing myself to play smart despite a very small return in $ has been a catalyst in my game. I plan to continue on my path, grinding away, because I think there is a lot more to learn in each level of progression.While your young, you have plenty of time in your future to learn and play. If I were you, I'd spend a few hours a week building a bankroll from the ground up. The patience and control developed will become indespensible. Good luck.