PrtyPSux, on Friday, March 16th, 2007, 2:36 PM, said:
It sent out a brief and clear message that your initial response to his post had the general pompous tone that most of the "I'm too good for this" 2+2'ers use when they answer some noob.
That's funny, because that's the general sense I got from his response...I've caught a whiff of elitism to what, in my mind, are very legitimate questions. The elitism comes from guys who look down upon them as "obvious" and "not worth the time to address".I also catch a whiff of elitism about "big stack tourneys"....I didn't just fall off the turnip truck...I've played hold'em (profitably I might add) for 15 years, and I've played several big stack tourneys (anywhere from starting 200-600 BB's - admittedly, nothing higher than $1500 buyin.) I have, however, done well across them all, so, either I know what I'm doing, or I'm an inherently lucky donkey - whatever you decide fits in your universe is fine with me.That aside...I recognize I have much to learn, which is why I post and read here. So, yes, it can piss me off when I run into some of the snobs and cliques and forum godfathers that slouch around both here and other forums.It also pisses me off that I can't get this hand out of my head, and I'm starting to wonder if the best way to play it is to hope you were in the bathroom when the cards were dealt and never know about it.
essentially, no.. say you pick off the c-bet with a c/r 50% of the time, then that 50% of the time you're winning 5200 and your stack will be at 23k or so, the other 50% of the time it'll be at around 10k,
I personally think it's likely more like picking off the c-bet 75% of the time, but it may not matter.
who cares? why would I wan't to commit 5k more preflop to win 1600 and not define his hand at all....I think he's almost NEVER 4 bet shoving AA and KK here, so when he smooth calls then I'm 100% screwed, and now I have the lead in a big pot without even seeing a flop yet..no thank you...also, what if he decides to smooth call with AK? And what if he 4 bet shoves on me? even if I know he's almost never doing it with AA or KK I can't call, because I have 50bb's + left and I can for sure pick a better spot.
Depends on who it is...and how well he knows you, and if he respects your play. Someone like Hellmuth likely four-bets all-in because he expects you to be an idiot and call with TT or AK.Maybe it's wrong, but I can raise another 2500-3500 pf into the 3000 chip pot, and fold to a shove.
Does a flop lead not define villain's hand...or will he raise you with all the same hands he would have cb with?no.... most likely yes.
Thank you...that was the answer I was looking for.I'll go back to the question I asked on the first page of this thread.Can we represent a set and make villain fold AA/KK? Lead, and then push his raise? Check/push? (whether or not it's worth the risk is another ball of wax)